just cant repeat what was said to me this afternoon,,this is getting better and better... more info tomorrow morning... good nite gang
positive or negative??
amazing how we just keep getting jerked around.. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Quote from: gigi11744 on January 06, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
just cant repeat what was said to me this afternoon,,this is getting better and better... more info tomorrow morning... good nite gang
So, the point of your post was ... ?
Well, what seems to be general knowledge today, though not confirmed, is that Neil wants to give us our money but the NLRB is insisting that he send the checks to them and they will mail them out to us. Ay yi yi ... :o
maybe they should be first sent to bloomberg for his ok first...
Quote from: Eucerin on January 07, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
maybe they should be first sent to bloomberg for his ok first...
Can't ... he moved ... no forwarding address. ;D
Well then give the checks to the mail car and have them bring them to the NLRB office in Manhattan so they can mail them to us. PROBLEM SOLVED
Or better yet. Neil just give us the money. To the best of my knowledge the NLRB cannot force you to wait to give us the back pay. In the MOA we (Pioneer employees) agreed to waive the interest. Neil it's your money or ours (Pioneer employees) depending on how you look at it. IT'S VERY SIMPLE JUST GIVE IT TO US. If it's not that simple please explain it to me.
its actually sad to me to go on the NLRB website and see Pioneers name involved with all this bullshit...i never thought i would see that day..and the best part is the main culprit to all this shit within our industry went bancrupt and took the money and ran so to speak..plus bloomy a&&hole too,but AE steered these companies in the wrong direction ..lets just hope we get the epp back soon and neil and us pioneer employees can get on the same page and continue to out shine all these other companies...and put this NLRB bullshit in the history books !!!!
Buzz
When we voted on the new contract at Pioneer I understand the MOA stated all three conditions had to be met before we received our back pay. I also understand at least in my opinion that our REPRESENTATIVES suggested that would only take about two weeks. It's almost been TWO MONTHS. If possible could you reach out to Ernie or Eddie and get an OFFICIAL UPDATE from our Local with regards to our back pay.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 07, 2014, 03:21:06 PM
Well then give the checks to the mail car and have them bring them to the NLRB office in Manhattan so they can mail them to us. PROBLEM SOLVED
When I said "send" I did not mean by mail. They probably would be personally delivered one way or another.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 07, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Buzz
... If possible could you reach out to Ernie or Eddie and get an OFFICIAL UPDATE from our Local with regards to our back pay.
Already have ... waiting for return call from Ernie, he's at a funeral.
Spoke to Eddie ... The NLRB has ORDERED the companies involved to have the checks delivered to them and they have no choice but to comply. Supposedly our checks will be cut Thursday and Ernie will bring them to Manhattan ... I assume on Friday. How long it will take the NLRB to physically send them out is anybody's guess. (Who's paying the postage? LOL)
we will get them before the january 26th,stamps going up 3 cents... :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker:
Quote from: yabba on January 07, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
we will get them before the january 26th,stamps going up 3 cents... :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker: :snicker:
LOL ... probably be postmarked 11:59 p.m. Jan. 25, 2014. ;D
Buzz, thank you for all your help with this issue. Most of us wait to hear from you after you talk to Ernie and Andy to see what's going on. So, thank you.....to the three of you.
Quote from: Manwithabus on January 07, 2014, 06:16:29 PM
Buzz, thank you for all your help with this issue. Most of us wait to hear from you after you talk to Ernie and Andy to see what's going on. So, thank you.....to the three of you.
You're welcome. :wave:
(The 4 of us ... you left out Eddie ... LOL)
Thanks Buzz
But it sounds like BS to me for two reasons. Why would the NLRB want the checks sent to them instead of just giving them to the employees?????? Also if it is true, why is it that one of us has to call a Union Rep to find this out? One would think that finally with some good news and as much as members need the money that our Union Reps would have told us immediately on there own. So if this is true Buzz please keep us advised as to when Ernie PHYSICALLY gets the checks. Oh, one more question. Again if this is true doesn't it seem strange to anyone that Neil would give the checks to a member of Local 1181 to deliver to the NLRB instead of one of his office staff (possibly Owen) or a courier service???
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 07, 2014, 07:42:25 PM
Thanks Buzz
But it sounds like BS to me for two reasons. Why would the NLRB want the checks sent to them instead of just giving them to the employees?????? Also if it is true, why is it that one of us has to call a Union Rep to find this out? One would think that finally with some good news and as much as members need the money that our Union Reps would have told us immediately on there own. So if this is true Buzz please keep us advised as to when Ernie PHYSICALLY gets the checks. Oh, one more question. Again if this is true doesn't it seem strange to anyone that Neil would give the checks to a member of Local 1181 to deliver to the NLRB instead of one of his office staff (possibly Owen) or a courier service???
Look, I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I'm telling you WHAT IS, AS I KNOW IT. You can believe what you want. All I can tell you is that Eddie read me the letter from the NLRB over the phone. I think they just got it yesterday. Ernie was out today. Maybe he'll have it faxed over so he can put it up. Ernie WANTS to deliver the checks himself. That's all I can tell you.
Thanks again Buzz :wink_cheesy:
thanks buzz for giving us the up to date info as you get it...yes it seems at times there is no commuincation other then what we ready here,and i dont think anyone actually means to kill the messagner so to speak...and i appreciate everything ernie does for us,and would support him if he ran for a high postition in the up coming election,we need him and i hope he realizes that,we need the moral boost that we had in Sal,and i know we could get the fight back under the right leadership..
Yabba, as I mentioned in another post, Ernie's been out for a funeral and there really hasn't been much time elapsed since the NLRB's communication. Also, they're quite busy up at the union trying to get all their ducks in a row for the upcoming Master Pick, which I believe is Monday, the 13th. People have to realize that as much as they might like to have nothing better to do than cater to we prima donnas at Pioneer, trying to make sure that unemployed 1181 people are in their rightful seniority orders amidst the mayhem of the pick may have preempted a bunch of whiny people yelling "Where's my money?" :snicker:
Just to clarify. It's people who NEED THEIR MONEY to support their families. It's very unbecoming to use the phrase "Whiny People". Furthermore we all feel for our unemployed brothers & sisters. We also understand the Board has many items on their plate such as the master pick but a phone call from Michael or Eddie to Ernie or Andy saying "Let the guys at Pioneer know we have some good news about their back pay" literally takes one minute. By the way we still haven't heard anything from anyone (except Buzz) with regards to Neil sending our checks to the NLRB.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 08, 2014, 03:36:19 PM
Just to clarify. It's people who NEED THEIR MONEY to support their families. It's very unbecoming to use the phrase "Whiny People". Furthermore we all feel for our unemployed brothers & sisters. We also understand the Board has many items on their plate such as the master pick but a phone call from Michael or Eddie to Ernie or Andy saying "Let the guys at Pioneer know we have some good news about their back pay" literally takes one minute. By the way we still haven't heard anything from anyone (except Buzz) with regards to Neil sending our checks to the NLRB.
I'm sorry, but in view of the fact that there are people who NEED it just as much but will probably NEVER see their money or EVEN HAVE A JOB, and that fact that we
are working and KNOW we will eventually get our back pay, we are a whiny bunch. Somebody must have said something (maybe Andy) because I heard about it in the drivers room yesterday morning from other drivers. You might be an exception, but hard for me to believe there are many who could use the money more than I could, however a lot of the people who are constantly asking Ernie and/or And "Where's our money?" could buy and sell either of them several times over. Yes, I do see them as "whiny."
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 08, 2014, 03:36:19 PM
Just to clarify. It's people who NEED THEIR MONEY to support their families.
p.s. - The thing I don't understand is ... when we do get our money, it's a ONE-TIME thing. What happens when that money is exhausted? Families aren't going to be supported? What then?
I guess this is why I don't get the sense of immediate necessity or the need for up-to-the-minute updates tracking the progress. (What if we weren't getting it at all?)
This will be my last post on this subject because I'm not looking for an argument. I'm looking for my money. First off you state it's a one time thing and what happens when the money is gone. It already is and I didn't even get it yet. So apparently I personally need the money as much as you. Secondly, as I stated earlier I care about all members of this Local working or not. But as unfortunate as it is members who are out of work has nothing to do with our back pay. Third of all, again I'll say just because I'm down doesn't mean I'm "whiny". Lastly, Thank You Buzz for what you do on this site.
Whenever you don't agree with all the the bullshit you are whinning or whatever. It would be nice if we could respect each others opinion. I really what to no why are we continuing doing for a company that has lied to us told us he was so broke that he could no longer pay us but can go out buy new buses and old ones bid on more runs and yet guys cover work use cell phones and hang in the office.I really wish our union would send a rep down from the hall and clear some question s we have for them.I know they are busy but a announced visit would put a lot of things to rest. I want them to no the lack of coumunication is heartbreaking. I want to stand with them but can't understand all the confusion all the time.look I want to work for a company that respects its drivers and don't play games with my families income and coverage.Do things in seniority order (pic a run,pick yard,and a good working bus that I am not going to get a bullshit fine in)and I would go to bat for the company and get things back the way it used to be. Its not Blomberg fault that our owner sides with fat boy gat to and imposed a illegal contract.So I will whine piss n mome all I want till I get what's mine.
Quote from: 1union on January 08, 2014, 07:45:34 PM
So I will whine piss n mome all I want till I get what's mine.
Be my guest. But there are those who legitimately have a lot more to cry about than we do.
:bomb: Is The Bus Wash Open . . . . . .
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 08, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
This will be my last post on this subject because I'm not looking for an argument. I'm looking for my money. First off you state it's a one time thing and what happens when the money is gone. It already is and I didn't even get it yet. So apparently I personally need the money as much as you. Secondly, as I stated earlier I care about all members of this Local working or not. But as unfortunate as it is members who are out of work has nothing to do with our back pay. Third of all, again I'll say just because I'm down doesn't mean I'm "whiny". Lastly, Thank You Buzz for what you do on this site.
We all want to get our money for whatever reasons and/or various levels of necessity. And I did say that "whiny" may not apply to you, but ask Andy about the people who ask him about the money almost on a daily basis! In any case, we know we're at the mercy of the NLRB and have no choice but to be patient. I don't want to complain about it, but I can't help but notice that they didn't need to actually have the checks in hand to know their amounts. It seems to me to be a bit of grandstanding on their part as if they want the credit for getting us our money. Can't see any other reason why they have to physically send us the checks, adding more time to us actually getting them ... but there's not much we can do about it.
Cheers.
Quote from: 1union on January 08, 2014, 07:45:34 PM
Whenever you don't agree with all the the bullshit you are whinning or whatever. It would be nice if we could respect each others opinion. I really what to no why are we continuing doing for a company that has lied to us told us he was so broke that he could no longer pay us but can go out buy new buses and old ones bid on more runs and yet guys cover work use cell phones and hang in the office.I really wish our union would send a rep down from the hall and clear some question s we have for them.I know they are busy but a announced visit would put a lot of things to rest. I want them to no the lack of coumunication is heartbreaking. I want to stand with them but can't understand all the confusion all the time.look I want to work for a company that respects its drivers and don't play games with my families income and coverage.Do things in seniority order (pic a run,pick yard,and a good working bus that I am not going to get a bullshit fine in)and I would go to bat for the company and get things back the way it used to be. Its not Blomberg fault that our owner sides with fat boy gat to and imposed a illegal contract.So I will whine piss n mome all I want till I get what's mine.
By the way, a common thread in many of your posts is about having a union rep come down. Just curious ... what do you consider Ernie to be? What questions do you have that he couldn't answer?
I have no problem with Ernie but I want to see them and answer some guest ions in person so I can look him in the face and he can explain some things for us instead of waiting for the card table to make it.What's the problem he comes down unannounced and has time to do that.Also maybe you can answer my post is why do we continue to help scumbag. A&E drivers who are working here and are not part of 1181We should not deal with them at all.But I want to see my elected official to clear tjs air.Yard meeting 1 a month boost moral and clear up rumors. Take a pol and see if its just me but I think if you take do you will see that a lot of us think it would help.If not I will not bring it up again.You see I don't understand why we go the extra mile for a boss who tried to break the union steal money from us and continues to stick it to us every time they can.But that my opinion .rather die standing then survive on my knees!
1union
I agree with your last post 100% but with regards to a monthly yard meetings right now due to the weather I don't think that will happen. How many people are gonna stand in the cold for 45 minutes to an hour. What I would suggest to you and anyone who has questions is to go back to the yard after the morning run. I SURE ERNIE WILL ANSWER ANY & ALL QUESTIONS. AND IF HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER HE'LL GET ONE. One of your questions should be when the weather is appropriate "Can we have monthly yard meetings". Unfortunately as I stated above right now you're not gonna get people to stand in the cold.
Quote from: 1union on January 09, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
But I want to see my elected official to clear tjs air.Yard meeting 1 a month boost moral and clear up rumors. Take a pol and see if its just me but I think if you take do you will see that a lot of us think it would help.
I'm not against that, but where would this meeting be held ... in the yard ... in the cold? If we rented a venue, who would pay for it? Either way, if they did it for us, would they not have to do it for EVERY property ... or are we special?
Quote from: 1union on January 09, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
A&E drivers who are working here and are not part of 1181We should not deal with them at all.
The DoE insisted that, for the time being, the drivers follow the work. (Ironic, isn't it?) There will be a master pick soon and many of the AE drivers who are here now no longer will be. If any come here permanently, they'll have to join 1181, as far as I understand.
Quote from: 1union on January 09, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
You see I don't understand why we go the extra mile for a boss who tried to break the union steal money from us and continues to stick it to us every time they can.But that my opinion .rather die standing then survive on my knees!
Let me ask you a question: This morning a bus was broken down in Richmondtown, kids on the bus. Another driver radioed that he would bring his bus to that driver. I headed to the location as well and got there literally 30 seconds before the bus that radioed and offered to take the kids and finish the run. Being the other bus pulled up right behind me we left it at that, not to confuse the arrangements made with Owen on the radio.
Now the question: Who would I and the other driver have been spiting and leaving out in below-freezing weather if we didn't go to help? Neil? Owen? Or a fellow driver and a bunch of kids on a broken-down bus ... with another 2 stops still waiting on corners for their bus to come? Were we wrong to respond? Would you have wanted us to help if it were you broken down?
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 09, 2014, 02:54:58 PM
What I would suggest to you and anyone who has questions is to go back to the yard after the morning run. I SURE ERNIE WILL ANSWER ANY & ALL QUESTIONS. AND IF HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER HE'LL GET ONE.
Perfect solution! It's that simple. :thanks:
I am willing to go out and find a place to have a meeting without management. A few yes back we had a meeting a Manresa council in oakaood.I am willing to find a place has long as they give me time. We need to grow some balls and stop management from picking us apart. We need to get our ducks in a row with union elections coming and we might to loose our shopstewart to retirement in march we need to stay together.I think if they don't want to attend we have one without them and they can find out how it went when the card game resumes in the morning.
When it come s to the safety and well being of every child that comes first and always will .If you come to the meeting I will explain how we can make our point without jeopardising the safety of our children. See buzz you got it good new bus able to walk in and out of office get info from management and the union direect.we don't and all most of us want is respect,let's do things the union way I seniority order .If we keep going the way we are things will get worse ! Wake up 1181 we have a great chance to save our union jobs let's show unity and we are not going to let them pick us clean.Owners are going to organize again and try to break us again .let's not let that happen.I don't want to see pioneer go under but if he thinks he is going to keep screwing us and have management make us against each other it ain't happening!
ANYBODY has the same access to information as I do. If they choose to wait for it to come to them, rather than seek it, that's entirely their call.
look the purposes of the meeting is to show unity not to divide we need to stick together the upcoming elections and a new contract We need to show unity.
Quote from: 1union on January 09, 2014, 08:44:55 PM
look the purposes of the meeting is to show unity not to divide we need to stick together the upcoming elections and a new contract We need to show unity.
Go for it ... if you find a place you can post it here.
There is no reason at all to rent a hall or have monthly meetings in the yard. The union holds monthly meetings ALREADY!Are we that pampered on Staten Island that we need the Union Reps to COME here? C'mon people stop acting like we DESERVE more than all the other 1181 workers.If anyone is that INTERESTED in having their voice heard then by all means GO to the meetings every month.
Beside the fact that there are a handful of people asking for this,I do not see anyone else showing up. There will be excuses,about why they can't make it,or make another day.So why keep pissing and moaning about something that ALREADY happens once a month.Just not convenient enough for you? Get in your car and go to the meeting.
I am here a long time.And there was never a need for this unity meeting .I went and still go to meetings if something is an issue with my job. Geesh,at what time and age do we grow up?
Quote from: Just_Right on January 13, 2014, 07:33:22 PM
There is no reason at all to rent a hall or have monthly meetings in the yard. The union holds monthly meetings ALREADY!Are we that pampered on Staten Island that we need the Union Reps to COME here? C'mon people stop acting like we DESERVE more than all the other 1181 workers.If anyone is that INTERESTED in having their voice heard then by all means GO to the meetings every month.
Beside the fact that there are a handful of people asking for this,I do not see anyone else showing up. There will be excuses,about why they can't make it,or make another day.So why keep pissing and moaning about something that ALREADY happens once a month.Just not convenient enough for you? Get in your car and go to the meeting.
I am here a long time.And there was never a need for this unity meeting .I went and still go to meetings if something is an issue with my job. Geesh,at what time and age do we grow up?
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Buzz & Just Right
I agree with you to some extent but on the other hand the people who want MONTHLY YARD meetings as of two months ago do have a point. Pioneer employees only have a contract with Pioneer now. In the past 1181 had a contract with the coalition and it was hard enough then to get a question or two in. Do you really think at a Local 1181 meaning our reps are going to devote an hour or so just to Pioneer?
I guess for you and the others that have immediate questions that NEED answers,you won't know unless you go to the meetings and ask.If there are enough of you to warrant a meeting in the yard.Then apparently they are enough of you from Pioneer to warrant an hour of questions at a regular scheduled meeting.
You don't want to go no problem. just trying to put some kind of respect back to our job and show that we are tired of the bullshit all the time.meeting s would only take about 20min to address rumors and understand what going on.Just right sorry to upset you I will try and grow up while I hope you grow some balls and start standing up for a little respect and better treatment of our fellow drivers.I am not saying its an answer but why not try it I think it would give Ernie and Andy a break and show unity.1181 union reps don't need to be there if they don't want to but it would be nice being they can come down and stand in the drivers rm unannounced .
Just right when is enough enough grow some balls be part of the solution.We have less than yr to try an put some respect back to our job!!
First of all let me say I believe in this Union and I believe in attending Local 1181 meeting. Haven said that I still would have to side with having monthly Yard meetings also for the following reasons. At a Local 1181 meeting getting your voice heard is not that easy. Also topics that I have seen on this site & in person at Pioneer are not items that are brought up at a Local wide meeting. Things such as the way dispatchers speak to drivers, the way SOME people feel Owen treats them, people picking up work or shapes not working are all issues to be discussed in house amongst ourselves and our Shop Stewart. And most importantly to get some Unity with each other at Pioneer. After all it was the Local that said AT THIS TIME IT IS BETTER if we negotiate with. each contractor separately. Well if Mayor deBlasio doesn't reinstate the EPP in a little over a year from now the 700 of us at Pioneer will be voting again on a separate contract than the rest of our brothers & sisters. So obviously starting to get together now can not hurt because if you read this site I'm sure you can see we are from UNITED at Pioneer.
First and foremost Mr 1union: I have more respect for this union than most people do. I am probably here longer than you are .I am here 25 plus years and you couldn't get more respectful and caring about this union than me. The difference between you and I is, I trust and believe what our union tells our Shop Steward who I believe is the most dedicated and most knowledgeable Steward we have had..And yes you and I know there were mistakes made when we entered into the strike. But since then the fight has been strong and our leaders have really done their job. So for you to be selfish and demand they come to Pioneer when there is so much more for them to deal with. I say go to meetings and stop whining. If you need immediate information go to your shop steward. I believe he is just as informed as the president and vice president.
Take a look around you. As a few members have said we have the best contract served to the people of Pioneer than any other company in this industry. And I can say that was due mainly because of our shop steward so I believe with all my heart that with his guidance and knowing how he constantly goes to the union for us and sits with the powers to be that he is just as informed as the delegates. So, he can answer any question you have. I see no good in delegates coming to Pioneer just to wipe our noses. There are plenty of 1181 members that GO to the meetings. They do not request a special meeting where they work. So my response to you saying for me to grow some balls..I do not know what my balls have to do with this I am a dedicated and honest worker.I don't need to prance around and show balls because the fact still remains clear we DO NOT need delegates to come here for the same thing they are doing at meetings.
We are not a special team. We are ALL 1181 fighting for the same thing.
And Proud Member then go to the meetings and bring that up at the meeting. You need a delegate to come to Pioneer, because you get no justice at their meetings. Also your complaint of how you are spoken to from Owen or people in the office. Well I guess 1 union's answer is grow some balls. If you feel you are spoken to with less respect as anyone else than I suggest you speak up for yourself. You don't need any special meeting to do that.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 13, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
Buzz & Just Right
I agree with you to some extent but on the other hand the people who want MONTHLY YARD meetings as of two months ago do have a point. Pioneer employees only have a contract with Pioneer now. In the past 1181 had a contract with the coalition and it was hard enough then to get a question or two in. Do you really think at a Local 1181 meaning our reps are going to devote an hour or so just to Pioneer?
You do have a point there and the same could be said for other companies. So it comes back to, if they do it for one, they have to do it for all. A few years ago an idea was floated of having union meetings in a different borough every month. That may be an idea whose time has come.
Just Right
This is Proud Member and with regards to your last post in reference to my last post maybe you should go back and read it again. I DID NOT say I need a delegate to come to Pioneer. I said it would not hurt to have meeting at the yard with our Shop Stewart on top of Local 1181 meetings. I DID NOT say that I do not get justice at Local 1181 meetings. I said "getting your voice heard is not that easy" meaning after the agenda (business) for the evening is completed Michael will that 4 or 5 questions and then the meeting is over. Again go back and read what I said. I DID NOT say how Owen or the dispatchets speak to me. I said how "SOME people" feel Owen treats them and how the dispatchers speak to drivers. I don't need to grow balls, I have them. By the way the dispatchers & Owen treat me with respect as I do them. The whole reason for my last post was to try and not only get you & 1union on the same page but more UNITY throughout our shop & this Local. Believe me I am a true UNION BROTHER to all of my Brothers & Sisters. If I weren't I wouldn't be on this site and I wouldn't go by the name PROUD MEMBER.
PROUD MEMBER
I too am a PROUD MEMBER, I will apologize for pointing the statement at you. And will retract it here.
If SOME people feel they are not getting the respect they deserve from Owen and the office then SOME People should go to the meetings and have that addressed. I personally have no problems with Owen or the people in the office.They treat me fairly and I do them as well. I doubt I could get on the same page as 1union because what he is demanding is something that ALREADY takes place.So you see PROUD MEMBER I am only pointing out the oblivious. I would prefer our Union Delegates perform their daily duties fighting for our rights as a whole organization opposed to one bus yard on SI.Because SOME people would rather a temper tantrum be addressed than more important issues. History reminds us that ALL for ONE and ONE for ALL is the way to go.
Accepted
Just right sorry if you don't see the poi ts of my post but I do not come here to make ennimies just trying to keep us together to get the best contract and working conditions. I will not bring up yard meeting again. Wish nothing but the very best to all 1181 and hope we can make our yard a great place to work.I to will always stand with my union even though I disagreed with the way things are handle if they call on me I'll be there!