Pick May Be Postponed

[Buzz]

I'm not putting anybody's name to this because it's NOT official (yet) but there is a good chance the pick might be delayed. Nothing written in stone yet. Just want to let you know it's very possible.

[TheKid24]

I'm not putting anybody's name to this because it's NOT official (yet) but there is a good chance the pick might be delayed. Nothing written in stone yet. Just want to let you know it's very possible.

Due to what reason ?

[Buzz]

I should have included that with my original post.

Due to the many run changes that will be necessary because of the time changes of IS 72 and IS 24. Numerous runs will be affected.

[PROUD MEMBER]

No name???
Let me guess
Ernie, Andy or Anthony

[TheKid24]

Here's my issue with picking. I'm here going on 3 years and now I can't pick a good run that gets out early because I need to make sure I have a Jewish school on my run to guarantee my full weekly pay check because they never close. It shouldn't be ANY drivers fault coming into work prepared to work to only get 4 hours pay because all of the public schools on my run are closed. That needs to be addressed. That doesn't have anything to do with a seniority. It's just principles that we as drivers shouldn't be punished due to a school closing when we came ready to work.

[faceit]

3 years and you think you can get a good run?
SMFH🤦🏽

[TheKid24]

3 years and you think you can get a good run?
SMFH🤦🏽

Better than what I have is what I'm saying. I heard 15-20 guys are retiring so obviously good runs would be available BUT the point I'm trying to make retiring or not went over your head....I shouldn't be able to not have to pick a run getting in early because if my public schools are closed I'm not getting my full weeks pay when I reported to work my full days schedule so I have to depend on a Jewish school run getting in later to guarantee my full pay check because they never shut down.

[Buzz]

It shouldn't be ANY drivers fault coming into work prepared to work to only get 4 hours pay because all of the public schools on my run are closed. That needs to be addressed. That doesn't have anything to do with a seniority. It's just principles that we as drivers shouldn't be punished due to a school closing when we came ready to work.

You're right. It's not a seniority issue. It's a shitty contract for new guys issue.

Hopefully this will change with the next contract. This is why they can't get and keep drivers. Maybe they'll finally realize it.

But ... it IS what you signed on for.

[TheKid24]

It shouldn't be ANY drivers fault coming into work prepared to work to only get 4 hours pay because all of the public schools on my run are closed. That needs to be addressed. That doesn't have anything to do with a seniority. It's just principles that we as drivers shouldn't be punished due to a school closing when we came ready to work.

You're right. It's not a seniority issue. It's a shitty contract for new guys issue.

Hopefully this will change with the next contract. This is why they can't get and keep drivers. Maybe they'll finally realize it.

But ... it IS what you signed on for.

Agreed I mean at some point they are going to have to protect and look out for us new guys while still taking care of you guys at the top. Hopefully the new contract helps us get to top pay quicker and these tid for tat issues as far as Covid can put us all under the same
Umbrella.

[Buzz]

But wait a minute. Are you saying there are days you only get 4 hours pay? When? Give me an example. I don't see how that can be, even with your contract.

[TheKid24]

But wait a minute. Are you saying there are days you only get 4 hours pay? When? Give me an example. I don't see how that can be, even with your contract.

RJJ was on vacation, I come in at 7:15 for an 8am first pick up and I see on the window my public schools Were closed due to Covid they said oh you gotta shape.....Who am I shaping for at that time? there's no runs at that time to give me, I literally was in the office for 10 min before told to go home and I got one day of 4 hours of shape pay. It's not my fault the schools are closed I should get 8 hours pay because I as the driver reported to work to work my full shift.

Another situation, One of my schools was closed due to Covid and I forgot how many days they were closed. Now It's Friday and my other two schools closed due to Covid and I don't do RJJ on Fridays. I had to pray that the first school closed due to Covid opened back up so I got a fulls weeks pay. If they didn't I would have gotten paid for 4 days or 4 hours shape pay. Another example of a driver being prepared to work a full day but being held accountable for a school being closed getting only 4 hours pay

[PROUD MEMBER]

It's unfortunate but according to the contract (if I recall correctly), new drivers only get paid for when they work so thank God they let you be considered a shape and then go home and at least you got the four hours. As Buzz stated that is what you signed up for and hopefully in the next contract it will be changed. After all Neil & the other owners at least to my knowledge got paid for every run every day even if some schools were closed. It may have been different if ALL the schools were closed.

[TheKid24]

It's unfortunate but according to the contract (if I recall correctly), new drivers only get paid for when they work so thank God they let you be considered a shape and then go home and at least you got the four hours. As Buzz stated that is what you signed up for and hopefully in the next contract it will be changed. After all Neil & the other owners at least to my knowledge got paid for every run every day even if some schools were closed. It may have been different if ALL the schools were closed.

As I said the new contract has to take care of you guys BUT us new guys need to see some sort of benefit especially if we are staying here long term. Anything, Something lol.

[Buzz]

@TheKid24: OK, I see what you're saying. Of course these were unusual circumstances and ones that could not have been foreseen when the contract was drafted. Unfortunately you don't have guaranteed days. Hopefully that will change in the future.

I think the writing is on the wall if they want to be able to attract new people to the job. I heard on a Bethlehem PA radio station an ad for Aldi looking for warehouse workers STARTING at $21 and hour. That's in PA and they don't have to put up with half the bullshit we do on this job. They're going to have to be much more competitive.

[TheKid24]

@TheKid24: OK, I see what you're saying. Of course these were unusual circumstances and ones that could not have been foreseen when the contract was drafted. Unfortunately you don't have guaranteed days. Hopefully that will change in the future.

I think the writing is on the wall if they want to be able to attract new people to the job. I heard on a Bethlehem PA radio station an ad for Aldi looking for warehouse workers STARTING at $21 and hour. That's in PA and they don't have to put up with half the bullshit we do on this job. They're going to have to be much more competitive.

yeah, Covid obviously wasn't in the contract for anyone new or old so we all should have been under the same Umbrella given that circumstance. But as I said Pionneer is going to have to offer a few GOOD incentives to us new guys to make us stay or bring in new guys. It's bad enough people can't pass this new CDL, gotta make it more interesting for them knowing after they pass it they will have a good job with better pay and benefits than it is now. Take care of the New protect the old off vice versa lol.

[Buzz]

@TheKid24: Look bud, I can sympathize with you TO A POINT, but only to a point. The contract sucks for new people but it is better than it was back in 2013. To put thing into perspective ...

How about people that have been here 10, 20 or 30 years? In the 2013 contract we LOST a lot of what we USED TO HAVE. It has taken us years to get back some of what we USED TO HAVE and still don't have it all back yet.

You, on the other hand, are complaining about things you've NEVER HAD.

Sorry, bruh, but it had to be said.

[TheKid24]

@TheKid24: Look bud, I can sympathize with you TO A POINT, but only to a point. The contract sucks for new people but it is better than it was back in 2013. To put thing into perspective ...

How about people that have been here 10, 20 or 30 years? In the 2013 contract we LOST a lot of what we USED TO HAVE. It has taken us years to get back some of what we USED TO HAVE and still don't have it all back yet.

You, on the other hand, are complaining about things you've NEVER HAD.

Sorry, bruh, but it had to be said.

I'm not looking for any sympathy, or attacking anyone on the old contract. All
I'm stating is that with a new contract looming they need to take care of you guys on the old contract while protecting the future of the company. I'm not getting into a debate of what you guys had what you guys lost you gotta put time in blah blah, I get it and again that's not my point. My whole point is that a driver should not be punished money wise if a school is closed due to Covid when the driver came to work and is now losing 4 hours pay or no pay at all due to something out of the drivers hands. The logic doesn't make sense and has nothing to do with guaranteed weeks or not. It's a new situation and we should all be under the same umbrella for Covid. Not like I work M-Th and my schools are closed in general holiday wise on a Friday I expect not to get paid and ok with that. New contract is looming a few things need to be discussed. You'd be having the same talking points if you were in my shoes. Again it's not an attack on your old contract you earned it I get it. I'm talking about is new guys not waiting 12 years for top pay or us feeling free to pick a public school run knowing we will get paid a full week of Covid affects our schools compared to getting late picking a Jewish school run to make sure we get paid a whole week because they never close. Those tit for tats need to be discussed and that's a new guy thing not old contract thing. Nobody here is complaining it's just general talk of what needs to be discussed during the next negotiations. You wanna take my opinions for my future as an attack get all defensive by saying "sorry bruh it's had to be said" that's on you. It has nothing to do with what I "NEVER" had it has to do with what I currently have and what can be changed

[Buzz]

Not being "defensive" in the least. Just putting things in perspective, that's all. You feel you're being treated unfairly and I agree.

I'm just saying it's not only the new guys that have been treated unfairly. The difference is, you agreed to it when you signed on. What senior guys agreed to when they signed on was taken away from them in past contracts, (though we have subsequently gotten most back).

2 more years and hopefully a better contract for all. Hang in there.

[PROUD MEMBER]

Also there are members that have been working steady at Pioneer for over 10 years and unfortunately they are under the new contract also.

[Buzz]

Also there are members that have been working steady at Pioneer for over 10 years and unfortunately they are under the new contract also.

How is that? If they're here 10 years that's prior to 2013. Isn't that the dividing line between previous drivers' and new hires' contracts?

[PROUD MEMBER]

I stand corrected.
There's drivers that have worked every day for the past 8 years but unfortunately are under the new contract.

[Tommy Gall]

Hopefully just postponed Kid....   I understand how u feel. These are f'ed up times.  Things will eventually get better

[PROUD MEMBER]

Buzz
Any DEFINITE word on whether or not there will be a pick. If no word yet, either way when you do find out I'm assuming that you will post it. When you do post it and if there's not going to be a pick get you also find out if we still have to go to the office on our scheduled assigned pick times and get & sign for a copy of our last year's run. And obviously get our route signs.
Thanks in advance