School opening delayed to Sept. 21

[WigWag]

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-delays-start-of-in-person-classes-to-sept-21

[Buzz]

So, what's going to change in 11 days? Hmm ...

[WigWag16]

So, what's going to change in 11 days? Hmm ...
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Yeah until we get pushed back again lol....

Schools are safe for teachers to go back on the 8th but not safe for students on the 10th, where is the logic on this!?!

[yabba]

So, what's going to change in 11 days? Hmm ...

nothing will change but 100% full remote... thats what will be happening... we are screwed 

[Buzz]

nothing will change but 100% full remote... thats what will be happening... we are screwed

According to DOE website, full-day remote learning will start the 21st as well.

https://www.schools.nyc.gov/school-year-20-21/return-to-school-2020/welcome-to-the-2020-2021-school-year

[yabba]

i mean no in classrom will happen... you wont see classroom till next year

[OMG]

That's not what I read, blended learning also begins on the 21st we're kids learn remotely and in the classroom

[yabba]

That's not what I read, blended learning also begins on the 21st we're kids learn remotely and in the classroom

That's true but by the 21st the UFT will cry about something else and win

[WigWag16]

Here's the break down...
Teachers report Sept 8th 9th

September 10, 11, 14, 15 prep days. No kids

September 16, 17, 18 FULL REMOTE

SEPTEMBER 21 Full Blended schedule

[yabba]

parent also have to agree to radom in school covid testing in order for kid to attend classroom....  the UFT set it up to fail...a lot of parents are  not going to let their kids be tested without being there.

[Buzz]

From DOE website:

Wednesday, September 16, Thursday, September 17, and Friday September 18, 2020

    Instructional Orientation
    All students will
        Reconnect to their school community
        Learn the health and safety procedures
        Check technical connectivity
        Have wellness checks with their teachers and guidance staff

Monday, September 21, 2020

    All schools will begin full-day teaching and learning
    All schools will begin full-day teaching and learning
        Students in blended learning (combination of in-person and remote) will begin to report to buildings, depending on their in-person schedule
        Students in 100% remote learning will all begin full-day learning

[Hammer2161]

Ok so fair enough the delay is till September 21st.
But and here's the big BUTTTT what happens if the city doesn't get the funding from either the state or federal government's and they are forced to lay off the supposed 9000 people throughout the BOE.

The Delay tactics continue!!!!

[Stereo]

I personally see it going back again for the most of us, with a few going back sooner. A inclined start from the top of the drivers list to the bottom.

[WigWag16]

I personally see it going back again for the most of us, with a few going back sooner. A inclined start from the top of the drivers list to the bottom.

I don't think it's going that way. I was told that it's going by the schools that open the drivers that have those schools not seniority. Like if you Jewish opens an uses pioneer, if you have a Jewish school on your run you're working not by seniority numbers, same with DOE, you'll drive your run for your schools not by seniority

[WigWag16]

Here's a cluster fuck of a read

For Immediate Release — Tuesday, September 1, 2020

UFT Fact Sheet on School Opening Agreement


Under the terms of the agreement, all New York City public school buildings will remain closed to students until September 21, while final safety arrangements are completed, including the assignment of a school nurse to every building, ventilation checks and the presence of sufficient protective and cleaning supplies.

The decision on whether to re-open a building to students will be based on the UFT 50-item safety checklist, including social distancing of student desks, the availability of masks and face shields, and a room-by-room review of ventilation effectiveness.

Buildings or rooms that do not meet safety standards will remain closed.

Teachers will report to schools on September 8.  They will work with their colleagues to plan and develop strategies for the blended remote/in-person instruction that will be the learning method for the overwhelming majority of the city's public school students. 

Once in-person learning has begun, the DOE will establish a mandatory, robust system of repeated random COVID testing of adults and students. 

A blind representative sample, comprised of 10% to  20% of all students and adults from every NYC DOE school, will be selected each month for COVID-19 testing, with results available within 48 hours.   All random COVID monitoring test will be free of charge to participants. 

Parents will be informed that, as testing is performed throughout the year, if parental/guardian consent has not been obtained for a student who has been selected randomly for testing, the student will be moved to the remote learning cohort.

Any staff who elect not to participate will placed on unpaid leave.

Students or staff found to have the virus, even in the absence of symptoms, will be quarantined for 14 days. City tracing teams will be dispatched to school immediately to determine potential contacts.

The presence of a COVID-19 case or cases confined to one class will result in the entire class moving to remote instruction; more than one case in a school will mean that the entire school will move to remote instruction until the contact tracing is completed.

Schools will need to switch to 100 percent remote instruction if the percentage of positive tests in New York City are equal to or more than 3% using a 7-day rolling average;  however, even if the overall case rates across New York City were to remain low, all school buildings could be closed  if there were recurrent, uncontrolled outbreaks in schools of COVID-19.

Any New York City zip code that reports a percentage of positive tests of 3% or higher using a 7-day rolling average will be saturated with additional testing and tracing including, but not limited to, increased testing of individuals in schools, opening new testing sites, door-to-door canvassing and targeted robocalls for at least a 14-day period or until such time as the 7-day rolling average for positive tests is below 3%, whichever period is longer.

All terms in this agreement will be incorporated in an amendment to the city's re-opening schools plan submitted to the state.

The agreement will be presented today to the union's Executive Board and Delegate Assembly.

[OMG]

No wigwag16, that's not how it works! Everything is by seniority. If a driver is working who is Junior to me and he's getting a full day's pay, then I get a full day's pay as well. It doesn't go by run it goes by seniority. If number 216 is working, what about number 10?That's always been the case and will continue to be the case.

[WigWag16]

No wigwag16, that's not how it works! Everything is by seniority. If a driver is working who is Junior to me and he's getting a full day's pay, then I get a full day's pay as well. It doesn't go by run it goes by seniority. If number 216 is working, what about number 10?That's always been the case and will continue to be the case.

I dunno I was told different. Your run you work but let's see

[WigWag16]

No wigwag16, that's not how it works! Everything is by seniority. If a driver is working who is Junior to me and he's getting a full day's pay, then I get a full day's pay as well. It doesn't go by run it goes by seniority. If number 216 is working, what about number 10?That's always been the case and will continue to be the case.

False, how come you work when everyone else is off? With jew and catholics? You dont get bumped from your run. Your seniority is only for the pick nothing else. As far as extra work thats supposed to be by seniority but its impossible

[WigWag16]

So much for having our runs by Tuesday the latest if not sooner....

[Hammer2161]

Are we really going to have this argument ? I think it will totally depend on if all runs come back. If every run comes back that we had last March then I could possibly see a scenario where you go back as your school opens. But if we don't get all runs back it will most definitely be done by seniority. I am sorry but I can't see a scenario where senior workers would be left on unemployment while junior drivers work.

First and foremost let's get to a point where the first day of school is imminent, right now based on everything that I am reading there is still plenty that needs to be done. NY state as a whole is not fairing that well on contact tracing how will it be much different for the BOE. A registered nurse in every school during a fiscal crisis ? Parents agreeing to random COVID testing. Heck the teachers have to agree to it as well.

Hopefully they didn't set it up to fail. But there is most definitely A LOT TO STILL GET ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

[WigWag16]

We all know the virus rate is definitely gonna go back up once it gets cold out. So then that would mean you're out of work again?
Watch and see how the union says the classrooms and buildings aren't ready or don't meet the checklist by the 21st.
That's why they put that in there. That covers them so that if they want to delay even longer, they can. It's not a hard and fast rule that says no matter what, schools open the 21st. That's what I thought it was. It's a targeted date instead.
Basically, they can or cannot open on that date, depending on the situation.
So let's say that the schools you pick up for/that are on your run are shut down bc they don't meet the checklist or bc of the virus, do you still get paid?

[Hammer2161]

Wigwag16 your asking a question I doubt anyone can answer. The best answer I could give you is that if you return to work and actually do work and somewhere along the line they close your school for quarantine then you should get paid. If you come in to contact with those children you may also be required to be tested and quarantine yourself.

These are for sure unprecedented times and we are going to have to let them play out.

But in the end we belong to a union and seniority has to prevail !!!!

[PROUD MEMBER]

My take from reading the UFT fact sheet is they do not want schools to reopen and if they do reopen their 𝙋𝙡𝙖𝙣 is to close them back down within weeks. But I'm sure the heads of the UFT have no problem with Malls, Gyms, Restaurants, etc., opening. As much as I want & need to get back to work I'm getting to the point where I say F it and let's just wait until September 2021. No school and no remote teaching (bc the children aren't learning anything anyway). Put the teachers on the unemployment line and we'll see how fast they tell their Reps it's safe and we want to go back to work.

[Hammer2161]

 I know we are all frustrated and rightfully so. But as we have found out in the past few days the rank and file of the UFT unfortunately doesn't get to vote on wether or not they strike or further delay the opening of schools.

I will say this if the schools are not safe then they are not safe for anyone. Not sure what they are going to get accomplished in 10 with the teachers and faculty in the buildings.

And as I stated earlier what happens if there's no bail out and due to the fiscal crisis the city has to cut 22000 jobs 9000 of which are slated to come from the BOE. Is this extension somehow tied to that inevitable decision.

One hundred percent TRANSPARENCY would be nice !!!!

[Buzz]

I am sorry but I can't see a scenario where senior workers would be left on unemployment while junior drivers work.

I'm not so sure about that. Some years ago I went back to work a full week earlier than many drivers with more seniority while they remained on unemployment because that's when my school opened.

We see it every September ... though the difference is usually only a day or two.

Don't know that it would be an different now, especially since there's no pick.

[Buzz]

Guys,

1) OPT has still not indicated whether non-public schools would get buses before public schools open

2) There will be no pick

So, I would say if number 1 was to happen, refer to number 2.

[Hammer2161]

Well then if that is true the drivers who do catholic schools need to be prepared because I believe as of now catholic schools are going back on September 16th. So if there is no pick and seniority does not prevail it looks like they will be working a few days earlier then everyone else.

[yabba]

lets see how many kids are left to go into the classroom after the parents sign for random swabbing for covid... i know a few that changed to full remote yesterday already... i dont agree with the UFT but i will give them credit they played this well and won..

[Hammer2161]

This whole agreement is set up to fail. Dumblasio and the BOE couldn't get what was needed done within the 5 months since schools shut. Now we are all to believe the BOE and the UFT agreed on a list of 50 let me repeat 50 items and they are going to get all that done in 10 days.

The one truth not being discussed is the fiscal crisis. Where is this money going to come from. I read somewhere that Dumblasio said money from the schools PTA funds could be used to buy the PPE supplies needed. I thought he promised he would get that done. And what will the schools do that are in poorer neighborhoods if they don't have the funds to do that. Oh and let's not forget the outdoor plan that he also wants the PTA's to fund.

Surely it's set UP TO FAIL !!!!

[yabba]

This whole agreement is set up to fail. Dumblasio and the BOE couldn't get what was needed done within the 5 months since schools shut. Now we are all to believe the BOE and the UFT agreed on a list of 50 let me repeat 50 items and they are going to get all that done in 10 days.

The one truth not being discussed is the fiscal crisis. Where is this money going to come from. I read somewhere that Dumblasio said money from the schools PTA funds could be used to buy the PPE supplies needed. I thought he promised he would get that done. And what will the schools do that are in poorer neighborhoods if they don't have the funds to do that. Oh and let's not forget the outdoor plan that he also wants the PTA's to fund.

Surely it's set UP TO FAIL !!!!

so true and somewhere on the bottom of us this bull$hit is the drivers and escorts  drowning....

[OMG]

At least if these 50 things are taken care of the teachers will feel safe. What happened to the proposal do you need submitted about our safety? When our runs come down on Thursday will our vehicles be ready to step into? We have 16 days can all that be done in 16 days? Our issues don't seem to be very important, other than the proposal being sent to us and handed to either the Owners or OPT, what happened to it, is anything going to be done to ensure our safety. As far as I'm concerned the UFC is on the ball and looking out for its members

[WigWag16]

At least if these 50 things are taken care of the teachers will feel safe. What happened to the proposal do you need submitted about our safety? When our runs come down on Thursday will our vehicles be ready to step into? We have 16 days can all that be done in 16 days? Our issues don't seem to be very important, other than the proposal being sent to us and handed to either the Owners or OPT, what happened to it, is anything going to be done to ensure our safety. As far as I'm concerned the UFC is on the ball and looking out for its members

I have a feeling it's going to be here's your gloves, mask and can of Lysol....that's it no screen protector or anything like that. We don't have a leg to stand on because we are furloughed. But like you said what happened to all of our proposals/demands to make us safe

[OMG]

Wouldn't it be great if Our Union grew a pair of balls, and after the Runs go into the hands of the contractors, the union says we're not rolling until these Issues are fixed and some safety protocols Are put into place?  It cannot be possible that all they do is hand us gloves and a mask, well restaurants in New York are still closed, every store has plexiglass between the customer and the cashier, glass between the drivers And the dispatcher's, etc: And the list could go on and on. Nobody is talking about this, yes I am dying to go back to work, but I don't wanna die at work.

[Hammer2161]

I respect that stance OMG and I have thought the same on many occasions.
Just remember this if school starts up and the buses don't roll that could be deemed a strike and as we all know only to well we can not apply for unemployment if that happens.
While I agree with you I believe far to many can not afford to have that happen.

Can we say STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE !!!!

[Buzz]

The city could give a shit less what the union wants and the union is not going to tell us not to go back to work. There are too many people willing to go back to work no matter what so those of us with real concerns are screwed.

[yabba]

I am sorry but I can't see a scenario where senior workers would be left on unemployment while junior drivers work.

I'm not so sure about that. Some years ago I went back to work a full week earlier than many drivers with more seniority while they remained on unemployment because that's when my school opened.

We see it every September ... though the difference is usually only a day or two.

Don't know that it would be an different now, especially since there's no pick.

i remember the asbestos year when public went back a few weeks late in sept,the differnce was we had 40 week gaurantee and we all got paid...do we have a 39 week gaurantee this year...

[OMG]

Gorilla glue, duct tape, shower curtain, doesn't take 6 months, it's something, it's an effort, it's showing concern

[hideout]

     Agree when are we going to hear something about safety protocol  for US!!!

[Buzz]

... I believe as of now catholic schools are going back on September 16th. ...

I've "heard" that too but can find nothing in print. According to this calendar and several school websites I checked, they're opening on the 9th.

https://catholicschoolsny.org/elementary/elementary-calendar/

[Buzz]

Gorilla glue, duct tape, shower curtain, doesn't take 6 months, it's something, it's an effort, it's showing concern

Things to be considered: vision impairment, flammability and if a solid barrier, shattering in a crash.

[Buzz]

     Agree when are we going to hear something about safety protocol  for US!!!

Safety Protocols:

1) Here's your mask
2) Here's your gloves
2) Here's your Lysol
4) Here's your piece of paper on which to write your next of kin.   

[yabba]

#4 a sharpie and write it on our arm like they do down south... 

[OMG]

Nothings going to be in front of us to block us from seeing through a windshield, last safety meeting Owen said don't even bother looking in your overhead mirror because it takes your eyes off the road, we have fire extinguishers. Plexiglass can be tempered just like your windshield to keep it from breaking into big sharp pieces.DLM (Drivers Lives Matter) lol.  I don't want to hear about safety bullshit, let me hear something put in place to keep us safe, the MTA had passengers boarding from the rear door, then they put plexiglass around the drivers. I don't wanna hear excuses, they mean nothing to me, It's just an excuse. I want to see action. There's a lot of things being put in place for safety, except for when it's about us.