back pay part 4 - THE SAGA CONTINUES

[Buzz]

Lawyers for the contractors have requested a 10-day extension to deliver the checks to the NLRB. The union objected, but whether it will be granted is not yet known.

[rc1790]

The union should request that the terms of the old contract be followed due to the contractors defiance to follow the nlrb mandate. We are following changes that were implemented against us.
Sounds like an unfair labor practice.

[PROUD MEMBER]

I can only say two things. Why didn't they ask for a 100 day extension? But seriously I would assume and hope the NLRB will deny their request. For the simple reason if that request was made today (which I am assuming) it shows the contractors have no regard for the NLRB. If the checks were do to be delivered today how could someone request an extension today. That does not give the NLRB anytime before the due date to review the extension request. Which automatically puts the contractors in defiance. Does anyone know if the extension request was made today or yesterday?

[John Eadicicco]

The wheels on the bus go round, round, round!

[yabba]

shame on us...im done with all these games ..there is no hope for getting anything back on this job,we will continued to be played with like we have for the past several years...the only chance we have is comes in the up coming elections and put all new blood in and cross our fingers..im tired of hearing there is really nothing we can do...lets try something anything even if its little and it dont work lets try.. get all the drivers out of the office,they dont belong in there...look and see who is covering all the work,dont give me the $hit they get paid,$$ is not the point,the point is he cant keep drivers at 14.00 an hour they are quiting and not looking for the job so make it hard for him to get his work covered...but no we say one thing and do another...but again SHAME ON US!!!!  the stench  is so bad we better chip in and get a septic cleaning truck at 2890 and woodhaven blvd...

[Rock Steady]

Lets all show up at the yard on Tuesday after our a.m. run and talk about it for six hours and possibly run late on the SIE going back to our schools on the other side of the island.  Lets jam up the AK yard, it's legal.

[yabba]

Rocksteady the chiefs will be out there directing traffic before going and covering pm runs. 

[Buzz]

...the only chance we have is comes in the up coming elections and put all new blood in and cross our fingers..im tired of hearing there is really nothing we can do...lets try something anything even if its little and it dont work lets try ... but again SHAME ON US!!!!  the stench  is so bad we better chip in and get a septic cleaning truck at 2890 and woodhaven blvd...

People wanting to "clean up" the local several years ago is what brought us to where we are now ... a local with no muscle. Cleaning up again would similarly work against us this time. Michael's ties with city hall, Hanley and the DOE is all we have going for us right now. I would not chance the future of the union ... or our pensions ... to anyone with less experience or knowledge. We may not be the union of old, but we would be a lot worse off to change horses amidst the turmoil that the industry is in now. Of course, it's just MY opinion.

[PROUD MEMBER]

Buzz
As far as me analyzing everything you are probably correct. I am just concerned obviously for the safety of the children and our jobs. Even though Bloomberg is no longer Mayor he and others are still around and would not hesitate to throw us under the bus. So I feel we should be very careful of what we say & do because even if your not doing anything wrong if it can be perceived that you were that's how it will be taken. The last thing Local 1181 needs is negative attention. As far as our current leadership goes I would have to agree with you. I personally would rather have Sal & his EB but under the circumstances of this past year Michael & his EB are holding their own. Again this is my opinion only and I don't think a change at this time would be prosperous to this membership. Having said that and I understand with the pay back & master pick issues obviously being at the top of the Agenda has Anyone heard Anything with regards to talks with Mayor deBlasio's office about the EPP? After all the clock is ticking!!!

[Buzz]

Buzz
As far as me analyzing everything you are probably correct. I am just concerned obviously for the safety of the children and our jobs. Even though Bloomberg is no longer Mayor he and others are still around and would not hesitate to throw us under the bus. So I feel we should be very careful of what we say & do because even if your not doing anything wrong if it can be perceived that you were that's how it will be taken. The last thing Local 1181 needs is negative attention.

LOL! You just can't help yourself, can you?        

[PROUD MEMBER]

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. HELP MYSELF, my family & all of our Brothers & Sisters and their families.

[yabba]

please tell me one positive thing 1181 has done for us in the past 2 years...i must be missing something...

[PROUD MEMBER]

ONE THING POSITIVE and it may not be as good as it was but our current contract is better than "The Best & Final Offer" that was imposed on us. Local 1181 reps could have just gave up and we would still been working under that contract. Oh and by the way we wouldn't be waiting for back pay either.  SO I GUESS THAT'S TWO THINGS. Don't get me wrong I am not 100% satisfied with things but obviously when things go wrong we always look to blame the people on top. No matter who those people may be at the time. Regardless all kidding aside you asked for one positive thing and I gave you two. Keep the faith & lets stick together.

[Buzz]

please tell me one positive thing 1181 has done for us in the past 2 years...i must be missing something...

Look, if you want to blame the union for the shambles Bloomberg left this industry in, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. They're left with the non-glorious task of trying to keep us from succumbing to the devastation he left behind.

If you think it's the current EB's fault that a few years ago some of our disgruntled members led a relentless pursuit to rid our union of the very influence that made us strong, that's your prerogative. Now they have to do things by the books, and we expect miracles.

If you feel that anybody has better connections and has made more inroads towards getting us some form of EPP back, well, you're entitled to your feelings. Nobody has a better chance of getting this done before it's too late than Michael.

If you say you want a whole new slate of inexperienced people who would have no idea where to begin during the worst time in our local's history in the last 40 years, I can't tell you what to do with your vote. But if you think things are bad now, as Pedro says, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!"

[J.T.]

Lets all stop covering runs, enough is enough  ,stop helping the office no one cares about us. Especially Nieil

[wheresmymoney!]

Ok answer -- why the hell did they put the retro in our YTD???  How is that even legal??? How are they still getting away with this???  Again nothing should have been signed or ratified or anything until the money was in hand.  What bullshit this is???  I feel like its all a sham.  Someone has got to do something against the union and Neil I can't believe the NLRB after everything weve been through is letting them get away with this. Neil is a brave guy to keep screwing us over when there are close to 400 drivers ready to pounce! It's all I hear he's got big ones and obviously no fear......it's comical.

[Buzz]

Ok answer -- why the hell did they put the retro in our YTD???  How is that even legal???

It's legal because Neil already paid our withholding (over $1 million) . Why, you ask? Because, (and I'm NOT asking you to believe it), he fully intended for our checks to be at the NLRB by last Friday.

I'm telling ya', (and again NOT asking you to believe it), it's the lawyers for both sides who keep looking for flies in the ointment. If these leeches had been offered bonuses to have our checks in our hands by Christmas, we'd have gotten our money weeks ago.

[wheresmymoney!]

Oh buzz I want to believe u but...........I remember Easter accrual in the YTD remember and we never got that.......remember so u can see why we have doubts!!! It feels like the same thing all over again.  I hope not then to read about request for 10 day extension.... What the hell is that abt if they plan on giving us the money???

[Buzz]

Oh buzz I want to believe u but...........I remember Easter accrual in the YTD remember and we never got that.......remember so u can see why we have doubts!!! It feels like the same thing all over again.  I hope not then to read about request for 10 day extension.... What the hell is that abt if they plan on giving us the money???

Remember this, my friend: Not giving us our Easter accrual was before a court order telling them they had to. They were still drunk with power (and greed) and I don't know how they ever thought they'd get away with it. I can understand your apprehension, but my thinking is this: He had to lay out the money for the taxes before the payroll company would even cut these checks because it was over a million dollars, (which was not the case with the Easter accrual). There would just be no other reason for him to turn that money over to the government except to comply with the court's order.

We're getting our money, I guarantee. I'm fairly confident our checks will go to the NLRB this week ... you can take that to the bank ... LOL. (Or at least will be able to whenever the NLRB sends them to us.)

[yabba]

the lawyers are the culprit,i hope the lawyers are getting paid by the hour and are not on retainer..

[hognol]

Everyone is concerned over our back pay and I understand that.  But this is nothing compared to what may happen to us come June 2015.

[Buzz]

Everyone is concerned over our back pay and I understand that.  But this is nothing compared to what may happen to us come June 2015.

Brother you got that right! I'd surrender my check right now if it could somehow guarantee that de Blasio retracts the runs that were put for bid a couple of months before Bloomdouche left ... they include our work. EPP first and then put them up for bid. Otherwise, we're likely to be some very unhappy campers next year. It's up to the new mayor, but I don't know how much hope to put into a guy who eats pizza with a fork! 

[Goose623]

February 8th PIST is having a press conference in the city I believe everyone one of us should show up and support this group.. The speaker of the house will b there n we should show her we need her help immediately..I agree 100% I would give up my check to for the EPP back in the runs.. If the EPP gets back in are next negotiations we would have more of an edge to get back what we have lost..

[J.T.]

We all should go I agree .maybe it would help us,we need someone to help with the EPP

[gigi11744]

Owners granted 3 day extention  checks now have to be delivered to N.L.R.B on th 23rd of jan.

[PROUD MEMBER]

Obviously a 3 day extension is better than a 10 day but with the exception of the contractors just trying to delay paying us just exactly what is THEIR purpose for the extension? Does anyone have any idea what the contractors think they can have changed within the time limits of an extension?

[wheresmymoney!]

Obviously a 3 day extension is better than a 10 day but with the exception of the contractors just trying to delay paying us just exactly what is THEIR purpose for the extension? Does anyone have any idea what the contractors think they can have changed within the time limits of an extension?

yes i also would like to know why they requested an extension?  is it that they didnt have all the checks done in time? or just trying to delay paying us but why?  also i want to know if they dont follow through with this and deliver the checks in 3 days, what exactly will happen?  to the contractors, neil, etc., etc.?

[grimreaper]

Nothing like always.

[Buzz]

You guys aren't even going to believe this ... well, maybe you will ... it's not happening this week either. All Ernie really knows right now is "next week." He's going to a meeting tomorrow and hopefully he'll get more of an explanation as to what the bullshit is now. Un-fu#kin-believable!

[Buzz]

  also i want to know if they dont follow through with this and deliver the checks in 3 days, what exactly will happen?  to the contractors, neil, etc., etc.?

Not sure, but I think they'll force him to post another notice in the window saying he was a bad boy.   

[Air_Brakes]

The notice in the window should be the names of all the people who forget so quickly and do volunteer work....over the radio...  What's the matter with you.

[grimreaper]

The notice in the window should be the names of all the people who forget so quickly and do volunteer work....over the radio...  What's the matter with you.

like bus

xxx

Sorry, but if you want to do that you'll have to identify yourself by bus number as well ... so that person can take it up with you and not me.

[Buzz]

Attn: All Lawyers ...

              

[yabba]

Can someone post the phone number for NLRB.   We have to flood them with phone calls voicing our concerns how the bosses can keep getting away with this. Maybe our phone will get the bosses more then a slap on the hand.   We have to band together and fight for ourselves. No one else seems to give a $hit!!!!!!

[PROUD MEMBER]

Sounds good to me Yabba. Someone give me that phone #. I will definitely make that call but I will wait until tomorrow. After all the contractors were granted a 3 day extension which would be the end of today. By the way does anyone know definitively if the "3-Day Extension" is the truth? The reason I ask is I only saw one post about it and that was it.

[Stugots]

National Labor Board Number#  718 330-7713.  Good Luck.

[Buzz]

The number I was given a while back was 718-330-2301, Case #29-CA-100829

[yabba]

thanks buzz.....

[PROUD MEMBER]

Still looking for a reply whether or not today is definitely the day checks are required to be delivered to the NLRB? Any help?

[yabba]

Proud member this is what I understand that today is the day.  I'm going to call 9 am tomorrow morning like you said.  I'll give them todAy to comply even though we know they are not.   

[Buzz]

I tried calling that number and a recorded message told me to call another number ...