Let's Ban together!!

[PROUD MEMBER]

I can't believe what I read. Yesterday it was pick on City Workers day now today its sexual harassment. Plain & simple Sue had an accident and didn't report. That and that alone is grounds for termination but the so called scumbag GM called her in and gave her not one or two but three chances to come clean. She still denied it. Then on top of that she tried to blame it on another driver (a shape)!! As far as passing A bus with its sign out I DO NOT do it. Just because some people do it doesn't make it right. Read the memo on the glass in the driver's room in reference to bus signs in and out. A child got killed by a school bus. TELL THAT PARENT ITS MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL. Wake up and do your job!!

[Golfnut]

I agree with everything you just said! Every Refresher Andy and or Ernie stand there and tell us about reporting even the minor accidents. Then Owen Follows it up with the West Shore Expwy Accident and says " that driver still works here because it was reported!" She was given 3 chances , she was here a long time she's heard about reporting accidents 2 xs a year every year..sorry it's no ones fault but her own!! As far as passing Stop signs and Flashing Lights , I certainly don't do it and I would say the vast Majority of people here don't do it. Not saying she should have been let go without a warning but what she did was extremely dangerous.

[John Eadicicco]

I have to respond on Sue's behalf ( without her permission) and hopefully she will not be mad with me. I spoke at length with her about the incident.she picks up her matron every AM on Barclay Ave. A dead end. Drives to end of block and turns around in a parking lot opposite a restaurant. Exits lot and then picks up her escort. The day in question in the dark she apparently ran over an unknown object. Made the van rattle, she drove maybe 10 ft and exited and did Not see an object or any damage. She exited the lot and then got out and walked around vehicle checking for damage, didn't see any. Drove rest of day with NO problems. That was a Friday. Monday did not come in to  work. She is then called into office and questioned about having an ACCIDENT. She says no. She is asked 3 times by Owen if she had an accident and all 3 times says no. She is then asked if she wants to review the camera footage, she doesn't want to because she feels she is being railroaded. Delegate Vinny Butaro tells her by getting out of van a 2nd time doomed her. If feel if it went down in this manner a suspension would have been warranted instead or termination!

[PROUD MEMBER]

As I've said in the past it's unfortunate to see anyone lose their job. John the way you write (or should I say she explained it) sounds plausible but again unfortunately that does not justify (at least in my opinion) her circumstance. First of all whether she VISUALLY observed damage or not she admitted (explained) at least to you that she hit or ran over something. That alone constitutes an accident. Further more she got out of the van to look, does she know if the undercarriage has damage? Right then and there whether or not she sees damage just to be on the safe side she should call it in. If not call the office at least call Ernie or Andy and follow their instructions. Secondly, when called into the office and repeatedly asked if you had an accident she would of had to been literally dumb not to know what Owen was talking about. I know Sue well and she is not dumb but she was probably nervous. When given the chance by Owen all she had to say was "If you're talking about the other day, I think a ran something over but I checked and did not observe anything. If that's what you're talking about then yes I had an accident." Instead she tried to play dumb and on top of it tried to pin it on a shape driver.

[Bluebird]

People, you are discussing three issues that happened and some are debating on here. Here is not where we need to debate or discuss. What we need to do is stand behind each other and get our reps involved. Let them handle this, and let them guide as to what we can and should do. But we NEED to ban together not discuss what driver did what to warrant getting fired. We all ALREADY know wrong or right. But the gm is out for blood. So it only seems fair to say anyone of US is next. I won't give that ratbastard  all the credit for this he also has to answer to neil.So in my opinion it is Neil as well

[PROUD MEMBER]

Bluebird
It's not a debate we're just talking after all is that part of what this site is for. With regards to your remark, "We all ALREADY know wrong or right." Nothing could be further from the truth. Sue didn't know, Carol didn't know, the matron drinking while on the clock didn't know and many others didn't know. I firmly believe here at Pioneer if you get terminated 99% of the time unfortunately you deserved it otherwise Ernie would have made sure you didn't lose your job. Also as I've said in the past for every person that has been fired there is at least one or probably five that could have been fired that were not. And that is definitely because of Ernie and probably because of Owen bending a little. I think this "Let's Ban Together" category was started in a retaliation towards Owen for terminating people. The bottom line is he is doing his job and those who get terminated or fined or suspended are not. Come on guys "Let's Ban Together" and do our jobs to the best of our abilities as PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS & ATTENDANTS and we won't have to worry if Owen is a good or bad boss!!

[Grrr]

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120601195455AAR65qD

[Bluebird]

Thank you Grr for the spelling correction.
And Proud Member ,I can understand what happened to the passed 3 that were terminated. But I am sorry for not agreeing with you on the gm doing his job.He goes way beyond his capacity as a gm. He enjoys being judge and jury to people who were once his co workers.His hands has blood on them for neil.I believe Ernie and Andy are doing the best they can with the way things are.But I also believe we don't have to sit in fear if the gm goes off on another driver to get neils rocks off.
I know there are many drivers who feel the same as I do.If you don't I understand and hope for your sake you don't fall victim to neil and the gm.

[PROUD MEMBER]

This will be my last post with regards to this subject. As I have said I hate to see anyone get terminated. I personally have no problem with Owen as many others also have no problems with him and then there are those who do. I feel for and respect each one's circumstance and opinion. It's just that a firmly believe if you do your job and you do it right he can not fire you and Ernie & our Union Reps will make sure of that. With the exception of drugs or drinking even if you make a mistake as long as you immediately own up to it it is still very difficult to lose your job.

[Buzz]

As with any story, there are always 2 sides. If you're not clear on the facts, ask Ernie or Andy. I don't think we do justice to of any of the parties involved to hold "message board hearings" here, especially when aspects of such may not be appreciated being discussed by our former co-workers.

[PROUD MEMBER]

Buzz but I thought the gist of this subject Lets Ban Together was about Owen being or not being a good GM and unfortunately our former co workers names come up. But your point & concern is understood. Thanks

[Rock Steady]

Sounds to me like someone is auditioning for the GM job when Owen retires.  Things just got very out of hand since Owen took over. Years ago if you knocked off  CLP light or  a mirror on a tree limb you went and got it fixed no questions asked. Now it's considered an accident, and that's just nuts. As per Owen, if you brush a traffic cone or a barrel in the yard your filling out an accident report, he's fucking nuts. And if you agree with that your fucking nuts too. IT was never that way, and it's only Pioneer. Bono wasn't this nuts.  He's taking things to a sick level. A GM shouldn't go out of his way to hurt his people, he should be there to help them.  He should have said to Sue, "was there another vehicle involved", "did any body get hurt", "no ?", "than go on your way, see you tomorrow". The matron wasn't drinking on the job, she drank the night before until 1:00am, probably 6-7 hours before being on the job. She hung herself.  Owen makes something small into something big, he's a sick fuck.

[PROUD MEMBER]

The only thing I would want with regards to Owen's job is his paycheck! I agree that Joe Bono was a good GM but I also understand that in the mere 6 years or so that he is gone the GM position has changed drastically. The rules & regulations & pressure from the BOE, OPT & Neil was nothing back then as it is today. Also the relationship between Neil & the Union was also drastically different. I would have to agree (if true) that hitting a cone in the yard is going to far. Also in just that little bit of time since Joe left technology such as this site, FB, camera phones, etc. is much more prevalent which does not help the GM's job or ours. Oh and lets not forget if it were not for one of our former coworkers (who was working at the time) that made a phone call and thought he was f**king Owen instead f**ked all of us and made our jobs harder. If things were like this when Joe was here I think he would have retired a lot sooner and that's if he would have taken the job to begin with. Have a good weekend!!

[Grrr]

Oh and lets not forget if it were not for one of our former coworkers (who was working at the time) that made a phone call and thought he was f**king Owen instead f**ked all of us and made our jobs harder.

What!!!!      I got to hear this one.   Please tell or private message me.

[J.T.]

Thank you Grr for the spelling correction.
And Proud Member ,I can understand what happened to the passed 3 that were terminated. But I am sorry for not agreeing with you on the gm doing his job.He goes way beyond his capacity as a gm. He enjoys being judge and jury to people who were once his co workers.His hands has blood on them for neil.I believe Ernie and Andy are doing the best they can with the way things are.But I also believe we don't have to sit in fear if the gm goes off on another driver to get neils rocks off.
I know there are many drivers who feel the same as I do.If you don't I understand and hope for your sake you don't fall victim to neil and the gm.