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[rc1790]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/contracts_companies_demand_employee_aqDlK2QgJnbxrdmcQVKZSM

Could drag on longer.

[Grrr]

Ruh Roh...

[Goose623]

Once again Neil showing his true colors.

[terminator]

I think this makes it clear he DOESNT want 1181 drivers.

[faceit]

Next time someone tells me he's a nice guy, your gonna get my foot up your ass, open your eyes people, he'll get rid of us to save a dollar.Real nice guy

[rc1790]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/bus_strike_mayor_mike_wins_BpwJn1Y7SGCksXnq3O1R2I

Latest article says some workers are already crossing lines. If so where is that happening and what is being done about it?

[mirrorcheck]

Rc....I believe those are other unions crossing the lines. Michael Benjamins piece has a few inaccuracies in it. Faceit....unless maybe some kind of endaround about the suit brought forth by the contractors coalition comes to light. I am still in shock and outraged that this happened. I dont know if this is a scare tactic or what. Whatsruled illegal could be a game changer.

[yabba]

we are all in a big fking mess...

[rc1790]

Hopefully our politician friends put their talk into actions or we might end up like Hostess. Pioneer seems to be distancing itself from us. The mayors evil plot is moving faster than our response. I hope things swing back our way.

[yabba]

Hopefully our politician friends put their talk into actions or we might end up like Hostess. Pioneer seems to be distancing itself from us. The mayors evil plot is moving faster than our response. I hope things swing back our way.

honestly we need to go back to work and hope these politicians stay true to their word and things will be better for us on 1-1-2014  .but as of right now we will end up like hostess under this current mayor and this strike...he is the biggest piece of $hit to ever hit ny and the usa other then obama..hopefully these 1100 runs will get all fucked up without 1181 companies having them and the new administration will give them back to the companies that have handle the work for 33 years..i dont know what else to think anymore...

[mirrorcheck]

RC and Yabba I strongly agree with what you both said. All True.

[Buzz]

honestly we need to go back to work and hope these politicians stay true to their word and things will be better for us on 1-1-2014  .but as of right now we will end up like hostess under this current mayor and this strike...he is the biggest piece of $hit to ever hit ny and the usa other then obama..hopefully these 1100 runs will get all fucked up without 1181 companies having them and the new administration will give them back to the companies that have handle the work for 33 years..i dont know what else to think anymore...

I think you would find a lot of people agreeing with you right about now. If we're going to get the EPP back, it would have to come from NYS legislature and Cuomo. That could take months, and there's no guarantee.  And a lot could happen in 2 years. We rolled the dice with the strike ... let's roll them again while we're getting a paycheck.

[terminator]

Didnt the union offer a cooling off period where everyone goes back to work?
The response by Mayor Arrogant was NO
Just a thought...if we go back would it be a sign that he WON and we gave up?
Before I get killed for asking the above question...I honestly dont think anyone has the perfect action to take for this mess!
One new idea...go back to work and we all do a 'slowdown'?

[Buzz]

I think this makes it clear he DOESNT want 1181 drivers.

What he doesn't want is every top-salary 1181 employees from the master pick when 2000 people are without jobs in the fall. Really not fair to any 1181 contractor when these scab companies can hire people for $14 an hour. But I think they're going about it ass-backwards ... they should be telling the court that the EPP should be PUT IN to the other contracts to make it fair for all contractors.

[mirrorcheck]

Looking back it was worth the shot. Im not going to monday morning quarterback it. The city was able to run and pass the ball, ignore any calls we got in our favor and push the goal line farther back when it seemed we were close. Could it have been things better by us? Sure. My frustration is with this city...the same way that the pres. And his staff dealt with Benghazi is what we got. They just kept the scoreboard in there favor by delaying. Not getting ahead of the issue...just let it linger ans die its own death. Anyone waiting be damned. That sucks in plain english....a lot of good people took a beating in this.

[driver]

I totally agree with you!

[Goose623]

We all need to get behind Bill Thompson and make him are next mayor. I am changing parties just to vote for him in the primary.

[Buzz]

Rc....I believe those are other unions crossing the lines. Michael Benjamins piece has a few inaccuracies in it. Faceit....unless maybe some kind of endaround about the suit brought forth by the contractors coalition comes to light. I am still in shock and outraged that this happened. I dont know if this is a scare tactic or what. Whatsruled illegal could be a game changer.

As I explained to terminator, I don't think this will change anything for us. Until there's a new contract we get the same pay and benefits as under our previous contract. (I'm not in a hurry for a new contract ... bound to be givebacks.)  I think these contractors are trying to protect themselves from being forced to take top-pay 1181 workers from companies that lost their work ... when new companies on the scene can submit low bids because they are starting people at $14 an hour. They want to be able to hire new 1181 employees at starting pay, not non-union scabs. As long as Neil doesn't go out of business, we'll have jobs. Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[mirrorcheck]

Buzz....thats the problem. The job vacuum creates 1181 drivers out of work...that need to be replaced into other companies. If we are all "one" union we cant abandon them. So the original reason why we went out was for these same other companies. I say this creates a really big issue. Now I fear its grown bigger and now not easily solveable. Had tue city taken the very reasonable and fair offer to sit down and have 3 party talks a deal could have been worked out. As much as I want go be back to work ASAP...my personal friends from other companies look to be really screwed.
      Ps Buzz...my point was in that article you cant win unless your a player. That exposes what we all know was bloomys hand in this...its NOT an employee/Contractor issue. Benjamin is really ignorant.

[mirrorcheck]

Goose...im not voting again...both parties let me down in the span of 3 months and as long as the majority ideology is applied...nothing matters.

[Buzz]

Buzz....thats the problem. The job vacuum creates 1181 drivers out of work...that need to be replaced into other companies. If we are all "one" union we cant abandon them. So the original reason why we went out was for these same other companies. I say this creates a really big issue. Now I fear its grown bigger and now not easily solveable. Had tue city taken the very reasonable and fair offer to sit down and have 3 party talks a deal could have been worked out. As much as I want go be back to work ASAP...my personal friends from other companies look to be really screwed.
      Ps Buzz...my point was in that article you cant win unless your a player. That exposes what we all know was bloomys hand in this...its NOT an employee/Contractor issue. Benjamin is really ignorant.

Bottom line ... we ARE NOT getting the EPP from Bloomberg EVER.

Now, how long do you want to stay out of work?

[steve]

I sent a letter to the post stating that his premature statement like his life was just that
Premature, I wrote that he just told the other unions what we know about Bloomberg,
And that was that once he gets us ,he,s going after them , which I hope that it lights
A fire under the other unions ass to stand up with us  and fight ,because like the moron
In the post said with a smile , that after us it's their turn,and if any 854 drivers are reading this ,
I hope you understand that by doing your run while we are on strike is going to bite you in the ass.
If not in sept then in less then 2 years ,  and when it does   I.,  me.  Am going to cross your picket
Line with a smile yelling remember when you crossed my picket line , yelling I am 1181 and you needed to pay your bills so you crossed my line , so here I am crossing yours , and this is a promise from me to you.
Alright now I believe that the 4 companies that filed a suit against the city lonero ,pioneer,Hoyt,Atlantic express realized that by screwing us  they screwed them selfs,
So now they want to remove the EPP from the contract that has 2 years left ,the contract is sign sealed and delivered so should be no change but as for the unfairness of the bid to them, that I hope they win because if they do then the bids that were open today may be no good and the companies may have to wait 2 years and start the whole process again, and that means new mayor and chancellor , I,d like to see the idiot  mayor with that chicken shit chancellor eat that .

[Buzz]

I don't know that anything that happens on March 7 would nullify the bids that were submitted. I also don't think that ultimately the court will declare the EPP illegal.

However, if March 7th's hearing causes the court to issue an injunction to force the city to suspend awarding any contracts while they decide the case, that will be a good thing. It may take months for a decision to come down, and the longer we can delay this, the shorter Bloomberg's time left in office.

[yabba]

Bottom line ... we ARE NOT getting the EPP from Bloomberg EVER.

Now, how long do you want to stay out of work?
[/quote]

buzz you hit the nail on the head..i support 1181 but i said this same thing from 1-16-2013...i understood and supported the strike but i knew we were not going to change this mayor.maybe we should have done this back in the spring when we took the strike vote,at that point maybe the pressure would have made the mayor change his mind but once that contract went out to bid was is no changing him. but either way i dont think he would have gave in..i understand these 2200 drivers and matrons out of work but at this point we are only hurting ourselves now,lets go back to work ,sit down with neil and worry about pioneer and our future.lets face it as the past has proven to this industry these new contracts will not work out by 1-1-2014 and the new mayor will support us and we will get these runs back into 1181 and all the workers ...so lets go back to work and outshine these new companies  in septemeber amd thats the way we can beat the mayor,lets look and say thats you cheap labor ...

and what neil is asking for with the epp at this point is a good thing for us i feel..again i support 1181 but lets face it we have a disaster on our hands right now..if we sit down and get a contract with neil,we going to have the throw the new hires under the bus but at least they will know what to expect when they start the job,and then he can offer a buy out and lower his salary cost ,and we have 2 years to work this all out and keep our jobs.i just wish we could do this contract between pioneer and 1181,the hell with gatto and curcio.lets do it 1 company at a time.also within the next month or 2 neil will know what the new companies are getting and he will have something to go by for his 2015 contract.he can judge by what these companies are getting paid and also lets face it lets see if they can survive like marty and neil has for 40 years....so lets hope these new companies blow up in the mayors face and we can pick up the pieces ....good luck brothers and sister and we all have different views on the disaster lets not fight each other but try to listen to each others views and push forward with what seems to be the best possible future for us all..

[mirrorcheck]

Buzz...maybe my last post was misunderstood. Im not saying keta stay out. Whatbi am saying is we all agree we have sonething with our company. Others dont. Isnt that the reason why this was so important? Thats what I was told. In my humble opinion once they allowed these bids in that should be our cue to go back. Whatever the union wants and we decide as a whole I will honor.
         Ps we all know ways that the Board can save money on transportation and even inside schools. This wasnt about addressing a problem it was about trying to vreak the union. Geez if Bush addressed 9/11 in the same fashion Afghanistan and Iraq would have been the 2 biggest pieces of glass in existence. Bloomberg sought us and allowed to go unchecked by anyone higher went nuclear on us. Cuomo and obama...to pro union guys as much help we got from them ....as tits on a bull.

[GMC JOE]

We know what Pioneer has for us , BUT Pioneer also knows what we have for the  them  . HAVE YOU NOT TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT THE SCABS ? For that matter include the drivers of the non union bus running around town . You can not tell me they do not scare the shit out of the parents and the owners of the vehicles . Always stay focused you can' t read minds . Right now we are on strike so listen to the unions directions. No one has a crystal ball . Don't let bloomys money beat us and don"t let them know what we are thinking because they can't and they do not have a crystal ball either. STAY STRONG 

[Rock Steady]

Well said Joe . . . . well said. We can't let the rumours get under our skin and play a head game on us. 

[Buzz]

Buzz...maybe my last post was misunderstood. Im not saying keta stay out. Whatbi am saying is we all agree we have sonething with our company. Others dont. Isnt that the reason why this was so important? Thats what I was told.

That's true. But we took a stand and after a few weeks it became obvious that this guy was not going to play ball no matter what the NLRB says, or the city council, or anybody else. We are dealing with an android who is devoid of human emotion. There are dictators in South America who are jealous over the power that this guy has.

Of course it's unfortunate for the people in these other companies, but the mayor says he will fast-track some of the new bidders and get them started this school year ... because he will pull contracts on those companies if they're still on strike and not fulfilling their obligations. Then the poor people who would be out of a job in September will instead be out of a job NOW.

Better we go back and they salvage what's left of this year because whether we stay out another month or another year they will still not have jobs. Hopefully in the meantime the somebody will pull a rabbit out of the hat and get an EPP out of Albany.

And to clarify, when I say go back to work, I'm not talking about crossing the line. I'm saying the union should cut our losses and send us back.

[Buzz]

We know what Pioneer has for us , BUT Pioneer also knows what we have for the  them  . HAVE YOU NOT TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT THE SCABS ? For that matter include the drivers of the non union bus running around town . You can not tell me they do not scare the shit out of the parents and the owners of the vehicles . Always stay focused you can' t read minds . Right now we are on strike so listen to the unions directions. No one has a crystal ball . Don't let bloomys money beat us and don"t let them know what we are thinking because they can't and they do not have a crystal ball either. STAY STRONG 

Yeah ... if we had a crystal ball we would have known we'd have no health care benefits after 2 weeks. 

[GMC JOE]

Having no health care after two weeks was not doing good research ,I do not think you need a crystal ball for that. Sorry to not agree.   

[terminator]

Buzz...I need clarification-I know we have jobs and same pay thru the school year next year...After that is it possible that Neil could claim he CANT pay us at our current rates? (asking us to take pay cuts to stay at Pioneer?)

[mirrorcheck]

Buzz, I agree with Gmc Joe, I was sold on having a few months of healthcare,that is vital to my family.  Be that as it may.....Though Buzz you put it best "we were dictated to by the mayor all along and other dictators are jealous of his power "etc. Doesnt that sum up all that happened at every level.
        Christine Quinn is "for Us" Has she made any appeals to bloomy via the public or did she just take our side to shore up her union base to win the democratic nomination for mayor?? Do these people care enough to put there necks on the lines or are we just used for our political Union vote? She didnt need legislation to work with Bloomy for a 3rd term she made it happen as fast as he needed it. All a let down....just venting. Hacks nothing but political hacks!

[GMC JOE]

  .
        (Christine Quinn is "for Us" Has she made any appeals to bloomy )via the public or did she just take our side 

I DONOT BELIEVE SHE HAS DONE ANYTHING FOR US . cAN ANY CORRECT ME ?    

[GMC JOE]

Buzz...I need clarification-I know we have jobs and same pay thru the school year next year...After that is it possible that Neil could claim he CANT pay us at our current rates? (asking us to take pay cuts to stay at Pioneer?)

iT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE WORKING WITHOUT A CONTRACT FROM NEIL . MEANING THERE IS NO SAME PAY SCHOOL YEAR OR NEXT YEAR   

[Buzz]

Buzz...I need clarification-I know we have jobs and same pay thru the school year next year...After that is it possible that Neil could claim he CANT pay us at our current rates? (asking us to take pay cuts to stay at Pioneer?)

iT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE WORKING WITHOUT A CONTRACT FROM NEIL . MEANING THERE IS NO SAME PAY SCHOOL YEAR OR NEXT YEAR   

Pay and everything stays the same. Until there is a new contract, we get pay, benefits according to the prior contract although it is expired.

[Buzz]

Having no health care after two weeks was not doing good research ,I do not think you need a crystal ball for that. Sorry to not agree.   

I was being facetious, Joe. Apparently the owner-trustees had better "researchers" than we did.

p.s. - Happy Valentine's Day ... LOL

[rc1790]

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/02/bloomberg_nyc_school_bus_strik.html#incart_river

What's our next move? More negative press courtesy of the SI Advance. I hope there are some legal efforts in the works. Bloomberg finally spoke, but only to taunt us more.

[dunghue]

rc1790 if you so concern about the press read this make you feel better  http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/177059/some-low-income-students-without-buses-have-issues-with-car-service-program   

[Buzz]

rc1790 if you so concern about the press read this make you feel better  http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/177059/some-low-income-students-without-buses-have-issues-with-car-service-program   

No wonder the city claims to be saving so much money during the strike ... nobody's taking the vouchers - and kids aren't getting to school.