Seen on the table in the back this morning ... are they trying to tell us something? ;D
Buzz
I understand the reasoning for posting these letters but whatever Neil and/or our Leadership & ourselves said or signed in the past is just that the PAST! What I want to know and what we are all entitled to know is EXACTLY what our Representation is asking for NOW and what Neil is willing (if anything) to give NOW. Then at least we all can make an educated decision on how & what to do if needed. Obviously it's getting to if not already at that point.
I agree. I think we should at least know what they are asking for that we're apparently NOT getting.
they should be asking for everything we gave back!!!!! no less!!!!!! OR WE SHOULD STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERES NO REASON TO PLAY NICE
Quote from: 4real on October 24, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
they should be asking for everything we gave back!!!!! no less!!!!!! OR WE SHOULD STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I want a pension increase. How long are we going to go without one? Any deal without a decent pension increase gets an automatic
NO from me.
Stop selling out your future for a Friday morning check. Every driver and matron deserves an increase.
Your right Grr, A no vote for me too with no pension increase, And I think the retired people who made this Co. what it is today They should get better Medical benefits and maybe a increase too. We should all walk out the door, I am in for a wildcat strike anyday anytime fuck them all.
Wildcat Strike No it has backed by the Union. Obviously we all want more and obviously none of us want to lose our jobs entirely. When we signed the last MOA that we ended giving up things (all those things which add up to one thing...Money) did anyone really thing that if Neil got an extension he was just going to give it back and more without a fight. Unfortunately it looks like (you never know what negotiations with an arbitrator may bring) times may get rough again. Let's settle down and think but as always remain UNITED no matter what!
Back In November 2013 when we were asked to approve our most recent contract, I thought, instead of having a clause that it could be renegotiated, it should have had a clause that stated if Pioneer got an extension we would automatically revert back to our previously approved contract (i.e., not the "imposed" one).
Being our approval of our latest contract was predicated on the assumption that the company would need the leverage to bid competitively, and that it turned out this was not necessary, we should have had the benefit of a contract "extension" ... just as the company did.
Had this been the case, negotiations now would be starting off where we were before the strike, instead of starting off in a hole and having to fight (and maybe strike) just to get back what we once had.
Quote from: Buzz on October 25, 2015, 01:06:58 PM
Back In November 2013 when we were asked to approve our most recent contract, I thought, instead of having a clause that it could be renegotiated, it should have had a clause that stated if Pioneer got an extension we would automatically revert back to our previously approved contract (i.e., not the "imposed" one).
Being our approval of our latest contract was predicated on the assumption that the company would need the leverage to bid competitively, and that it turned out this was not necessary, we should have had the benefit of a contract "extension" ... just as the company did.
Had this been the case, negotiations now would be starting off where we were before the strike, instead of starting off in a hole and having to fight (and maybe strike) just to get back what we once had.
Outsmarted again.
Buzz
Obviously I and I would assume everyone else agrees with your last post. My curiosity as usual, I have to ask. Why didn't you voice those thoughts back in November of 2013 or is this an after the fact thought?
So WHAT has changed since the Michael Cordiello slate has taken over the business of 1181?
NOTHING... But Givebacks and concessions!!!! Smarten up people!
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on October 25, 2015, 03:34:32 PM
Buzz
Obviously I and I would assume everyone else agrees with your last post. My curiosity as usual, I have to ask. Why didn't you voice those thoughts back in November of 2013 or is this an after the fact thought?
Oh, I did but ... who am I??? And for all I know they may have tried but the best they could get was "renegotiate."
I think the union is doing all they can and we just have to have faith in them regardless of the past. After all it's all we have now.
But seriously..bashing the union is NOT the way to go like some seem to feel on here.
Quote from: John Eadicicco on October 25, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
So WHAT has changed since the Michael Cordiello slate has taken over the business of 1181?
NOTHING... But Givebacks and concessions!!!! Smarten up people!
I know you have to bash Michael, that's a given, but in view of the industry climate in '13 Michael did the best he could. We got the best contract in the business at that time. We (overwhelmingly) approved the contract believing it was necessary for Neil to stay competitive. It is he who is making a mockery of our good faith and doing what we thought was for the good of the company. Let's put the blame where it belongs.
We have no one to blame but ourselves. We fell for Neil's BS and that's the bottom line. Although we were told it was the best offer in the Industry and it was, the majority of us decided to accept it. Now 20 or so months later we hate it. As I stated in an earlier post ... Did you really think Neil was going to give back?
Buzz
Whether or not I agree with you (or any member) or not I'm always respectful and always voice my opinion. With regards to your response to my earlier question ... "Oh, I did but ... who am I???" Well shame on you. You are the Administrater of this Site. A site which is here for the good of 1181 Members. More importantly you are a Union Member. As a Union Member your opinion to me and I hope to all is just as important as Ernie's, Michael's or any Board Member. I do not say this as disrespect to them but just the opposite as respect to each and every one of them, respect to you, respect to Every Member and respect to myself. I notice that not just in this Union but in many aspects of life there are individuals that think their opinion or their one vote doesn't make a difference. Well I'm sure George W., Al Gore or our own Union President Micheal will tell you that is the farthest thing from the truth. My feeling is the same as the MTA's but instead of "If you see something say something" mine is "If you believe something say something."
Well, PROUD MEMBER, I understand what you are saying, but I'm also realistic about. If our individual opinion of what is important to us is not what they think is important, it's not going anywhere ... and that's just the way it is. (Which is why I scoffed at those proposal sheets we were asked to fill out.)
Perfect example: When it looked like we were going to end the strike, I said several times to a very prominent member of the EB that while I though we should never have gone on strike in the first place, that we shouldn't go back before we negotiated a new contract as we would have nothing for leverage. I was told things like, "One battle at a time" and "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
We found out soon enough what was waiting for us on the other side of the bridge.
I back 1181 100%, but at the same time I know we have limited input as to the fights they are willing to pick ... and that would be true no matter who is running it.
That's my exact point. You either keep your opinion to yourself or as you stated in that circumstance you let ONE person on the EB know. I see and also understand the trend here eventhough I don't agree with it. The overwhelming majority at least at Pioneer follows what Ernie & the EB say without questioning it or if so people talk of it on the QT. I understand we vote in our leadership and once elected whether I voted for them or not I follow their lead unless I disagree, then I voice my opinion to them and to every member that I come in contact with. I worry about my livelihood & the future of my family as I'm sure we all do. So whether or not anyone thinks their opinion will make a difference they should voice it. Once you do that people may join in. You never know and if you get a majority to agree with you on a point that may be opposite of the Board's views they will eventually change their view. After all isnt it their responsibility to listen and do what the majority want? A lot of members think they will be so called blacklisted if they speak their piece and that piece is not what our leadership or other members want to hear. My response to that is then that leadership or those members shouldn't be part of a Union. Having said that I like to say that at Pioneer on SI our shop steward Ernie will & does listen to whatever you have to say. But if you, meaning everyone doesn't approach him how's he supposed to know what's on your mind. Okay I think I made my point I just hope it makes a difference. THE MAIN THING IS NO MATTER WHAT WE REMAIN UNITED!!!