https://youtu.be/ILsze6UwF3o
https://youtu.be/4thvTkvbZjU
It appears to me that NO MATTER WHO is the President/Business Agent or on the EB there are always Members who believe the people in Office are out for themselves and do not care about the rank and file. Which to some extent is understandable especially when things are not going well. Unfortunately for us at Pioneer out of all the Members that complain about our leadership over the years I've only seen one Pioneer Member actually run for Office. I'm just curious for those who think it is so easy and are so concerned, why haven't anyone else ran for President, EB or even Shop Steward?
What the hell does that mean? Oh ok since nobody runs for president we should keep our mouths shut and smile, UFB.
If you would take the time to comprehend what you read instead of just wanting to curse and yell you would understand what it means. I made a simple statement which I believe to be true and then I asked a simple question. I did not say that you or anyone else should keep their mouths shut and smile. I'm not attacking you or anyone else but apparently with you it seems like your approach to matters is just the opposite. A Union is about integrity, brothership and respect among other things. That's in good times and bad. It's not about cursing at, belittling and calling fellow Members things such as "amateurs." I have always stated on this site, at Union meeting and on the Property exactly what I feel and I have always said it in a respectful way. As I have always respected others opinions. To me that is one of our biggest problems. Members don't respect each other and even worse don't respect themselves.
Also WakeUp123
If you were to actually read the posts on this site you would see that just yesterday I posted that one of the problems is that Members don't confront our Reps when they're supposed to. To make sure you understand what I'm talking about that is just the opposite of keeping your mouth shut & smiling.
Thank you Proud Member for representing yourself as a union member /brother should.And Wakeup 123 nobody is telling you to shut up or not voice your opinion .But since you've been flooding this site with your posts ,all you have done is trash talk members and the union reps and spew negative remarks.Im a firm believer that Anything is worthy of being said as long as you say it respectfully.Then you give the other party an opportunity to respond.When you come out swinging in every post ,how can you expect productive dialogue.Have you ever approached ERNIE or Andrew or any union rep with your concerns or how you might feel about anything.I have had several conversations myself with Ernie and have been very open about exactly how I feel on many issues some positive and some negative.Thats why we have a Shop Steward.Thats why he's here on site.Thats the way you do things .All I see you doing is attacking union reps or other members for having a voice that differs from yours and no you're posting these videos. REALLY!
Well there we have it , LMR and PROUD MEMBER towing the union line and probaly members of the 'breakfast club" have set me straight. The union in this day and age has our best interests at heart and when the contract is announced I'm sure they will tell us 'THIS IS TE BEST WE CAN DO" for Neil.
And getting back to your statement if you think I'm attacking 'union officials " get ready for this 'iM PAYING FOR THESE UNION OFFICIALS AND ALL THE OTHER PERKS THEY RECIEVE THAT GOES WITH IT"!
You also stated 'you can expect a productive dialogue. I'm tired of 'DIALOUGE" or have you forgot we have been getting DIALOUGED" for 5 years now.
I love this guy!!! Some of the best posts I've seen in years.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on December 27, 2015, 11:03:56 PM
Also WakeUp123
If you were to actually read the posts on this site you would see that just yesterday I posted that one of the problems is that Members don't confront our Reps when they're supposed to. To make sure you understand what I'm talking about that is just the opposite of keeping your mouth shut & smiling.
I would in a perfect and just world but I already 3 to 4 trips a week. How many do you get?
WakeUp123
I don't know if you're religious or not but if you are you should thank God that you're not doing 5 trips a week. Apparently and unfortunately there is no talking to you at all. God Bless you & yours and have a Happy New Year!
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on December 28, 2015, 03:11:57 PM
WakeUp123
I don't know if you're religious or not but if you are you should thank God that you're not doing 5 trips a week. Apparently and unfortunately there is no talking to you at all. God Bless you & yours and have a Happy New Year!
Wow, I should be lucky I'm not doing 5 trips a week. 'LUCKY" he says. Proud Member just summed it up. In this place union brotherhood and caring for one another just went out the window. Thank you very much for telling me I should thank god. I drive a bus like you, I pay dues like you, I stood on the picket line freezing during the ' quagmire " of a strike, I gave up my time to attend rallies that went nowhere,
BUT I SHOULD BE LUCKY, IM NOT DOING 5 TRIPS A WEEK. this is the very reason why Neil and the other owners 'SHIT" on us every chance they get, but I should be lucky and thank god. Please don't wish me or my family a Merry Christmas or a Happy New Year because with attitudes like yours it won't.
WakeUp123
Maybe you should wake up. I never said you were lucky! Every Member has gone through what you have gone through and Members with more Seniority have even gone through and given up even more! Every Member has or is doing just as many trips as you! Every Member including myself complains! The only difference is most Members show some sort of respect. Obviously, you are a far cry from a true Union Member. I realized this with your last post when you tell me not to wish you and your family good will.
Ok Proud Member, let's see what your opinion is in a few months or years when the 'contract" comes down. And we gets the famous 'this is the best we can do" or its your fault the union got dealt a bad hand I don't have to get kicked in the balls repeatedly before I realize it hurts. Sorry, but after my raise from the last contract was stolen from me and all I got was be glad I have a job like your 'thank god you don't have 5 trips a week makes me anything but proud which is why I have no respect.
The Union and Neil didn't steal anything from you. It's part of a contract that 97% of the Members at Pioneer ratified. So maybe you should blame them. Also you keep insinuating that I am 100% behind everything our Reps do. Nothing can be further from the truth. Besides John I am probably the only other one that has ever bucked Ernie in front of other members. Again, read my last 10 or 15 posts, not once will you see me complementing our leadership. Besides as far as our current contract goes you keep talking about what you gave up. As I said, whatever you have up so did others and Members with more Seniority have given up more. Not to mention the "New Hires" who practically work for nothing. You keep talking about trips. Michael and the EB have nothing to do with trips PIONEER. It's something we all have and go through. If it bothers you that much all I can say is go see Ernie. No matter how polite and respectful I and others on this site are you insist and outright say that you have no respect. Well in that case everyone at Pioneer should have no respect. We all have the same contract and work under the same rules and conditions. I hope this clarifies things between me and you and gives you a better idea of my position.
I don't know in reviewing your past posts your ambiguous. You cannot defend them on one hand and bash them with the other.
I tried my best.
Anyone else want to give it ago, good luck.
Happy New Year to All my Union Brothers & Sisters and their families!
(Of course that goes out to only the ones who are willing to accept it)
Did we give up unemployment during Christmas week???? I've been under a rock or something. Thanks for any info. Happy New Year to ALL and their Families.
You file Sunday, January 3rd
Quote from: bus66 on December 29, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
Did we give up unemployment during Christmas week???? I've been under a rock or something. Thanks for any info. Happy New Year to ALL and their Families.
As LMR said, you claim on the 3rd. However, if you have to open a new book and haven't done so already,
DO IT NOW.