Word in the street is Jan24 last meeting Neil proposal....... NO MORE Medical coverage
STOP Covering work.....see how fast he changes his tune
STOP COVERING WORK
I believe that Neil and the other owners think that those that are covering work will not strike because they are use to the extra money. I also believe that they are mistaken.
the letter is dated 1-15-2019 how come this was not bought to our attention yesterday...total disgrace... :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:y...delegates were on property...
Strike is a bad bad word........Especially since the last strike accomplished ZERO.....We went backwards.....If a run does not get covered the vendor gets fined......Stop the madness......No more covering runs.....Would You rather be on strike getting no money? Wise up .......Neil would get fined approximately $15,000.00 per day for not covering work..... How long do you think he would put up with that? Do your own work and collect what you have earned....Its a simple process.......And DONT fall for the line the union will say" We must cover the work!" Yes cover YOUR own route that is all that is REQUIRED of the drivers!!!!!!!
To be fair it was brought to our (at least mine) attention yesterday. I asked Ernie and he told me exactly what is in this letter. With the pick going on I don't think it would have been the right timing to bring this up.
Did you discuss it with anyone?
I've been thinking about it and on second thought John is correct. Why strike when we will not only hurt Neil but hurt ourselves at the same time. Not covering work will only hurt Neil not us. Having said that I have one question and one point to make. Can a driver be FORCED to cover work? If not then obviously it has to come from the Union to stop covering work. It has to be stopped and enforced by all of us otherwise it will not work. Besides let's see what next week's negotiation brings. Also if it's not what we want to hear maybe the Union will direct us to stop the extra work before a possible strike. Hopefully we're jumping the gun.
Quote from: yabba on January 16, 2019, 11:26:59 PM
the letter is dated 1-15-2019 how come this was not bought to our attention yesterday...total disgrace... :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:y...delegates were on property...
Come on, yabba. You've going to make an issue out of ONE day? Could have been delayed for any number of reasons. Ernie was on the property to oversee the pick, not to make a major announcement like this which he was probably told not to until the official statement came out. However he might have mentioned it to some people who approached him specifically to ask about the contract.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 17, 2019, 12:20:57 AM
I've been thinking about it and on second thought John is correct. Why strike when we will not only hurt Neil but hurt ourselves at the same time. Not covering work will only hurt Neil not us. Having said that I have one question and one point to make. Can a driver be FORCED to cover work? If not then obviously it has to come from the Union to stop covering work. It has to be stopped and enforced by all of us otherwise it will not work. Besides let's see what next week's negotiation brings. Also if it's not what we want to hear maybe the Union will direct us to stop the extra work before a possible strike. Hopefully we're jumping the gun.
How does not covering work hurt only Neil and not us? People are making a lot of money covering work.
Do you know how much the fine is if a run doesn't go out? A measly $600, I'm told. He gets about $1200 per day per run. (Even if both a.m and p.m don't go out, it's a wash.) So what did he lose? Plus, if drivers don't cover work, he saves the money he would have paid them besides. The way I see it, those drivers are the only ones who get hurt ... again.
Also ... how would the union enforce it? You've seen what happens when they even tried to get guys not to go out until their report times. Imagine if they try taking money out of their pockets?
To me, the only real answer is to get a contract that makes new people WANT to work here again so that we have enough drivers so that there are no runs to be covered ... and most importantly ... we have new people feeding the pension. (And we certainly won't attract many new people without offering medical benefits.)
Buzz you are waaaaaaay off base.Neil does NOT get $1200 per diem.......Before the last contract which F@#ked the new hire...NO ONE made xtra money unless they did charters....STOP sticking up for Neil and Cordiello....Have you EVER heard of transparency? Still shilling for the union eh Buzz?
SICKENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 17, 2019, 01:42:56 AM
Buzz you are waaaaaaay off base.Neil does NOT get $1200 per diem.......Before the last contract which F@#ked the new hire...NO ONE made xtra money unless they did charters....STOP sticking up for Neil and Cordiello....Have you EVER heard of transparency? Still shilling for the union eh Buzz?
SICKENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, brother. It must be an election year and you must be on somebody's slate again. If that's the case you should practice making your point without making accusations and being so abrasive about it.
What did I say that could be in ANY WAY interpreted as sticking up for Neil or the union? Are you for real? I made it very clear that we need a contract that sweetens the pot for new hires.
Maybe the reason nobody made extra money before the last contract is because we had enough drivers and there was no work to be covered to speak of ... could that be it?
Do you know what will happen if Pioneer's work doesn't get covered, John? Fines will be the least of it. We will LOSE the work. OPT will TAKE AWAY any runs that are consistently not covered and give them to another company! Who knows where those runs will go? 1181 company? Scab outfit? Is that what you think would be better?
As far as striking for medical coverage all I can say is that probably the only ones who don't think it would be worth it are those who OPT-OUT and don't need the benefits anyway.
If Pioneer can't hire drivers to cover runs than they don't deserve the work. Are you happy with the last contract whereas we Pay ourselves for sick days? If you are I have a bridge to sell you!
WHOA!!!!
Wait a minute Mr.OPT OUT..
I for one care deeply about losing the medical. It is extremely important to me and my family and many other drivers and attendants as well. If the work needs to be done from office than do it!
I bet a lot of others agree. If the work is taken away for not getting done and goes to other companies what would happen to the drivers and attendants?. Do the OPT OUTS care or give a shit.??
If we lose medical the only thing they lose is $3,000.00 dollars a year from Neil. But they STILL have medical and the Big Opt Out guy has his medical from police dept.
So people keep doing the work ,lots of people need their jobs.
Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 17, 2019, 03:11:34 AM
If Pioneer can't hire drivers to cover runs than they don't deserve the work. Are you happy with the last contract whereas we Pay ourselves for sick days? If you are I have a bridge to sell you!
Which bridge? :rotfl:
This is exactly what the owners want. Drivers divided and not united. We should have a drivers meeting at an off property location and get everyone on the same page.
Quote from: rc1790 on January 17, 2019, 11:59:19 AM
This is exactly what the owners want. Drivers divided and not united. We should have a drivers meeting at an off property location and get everyone on the same page.
rc1790 your 1000% right .. the bosses have been doing this for many years and the division grows more and more daily...sad how this garage alone would fill up a large section of the union meeting...i dont think you could fill a van today to a meeting.... all i can say is we sold out the new hires the past 2 contracts and we may not be seeing it now,but we are only hurting our pension fund in the future.. and we can only blame ourselves cause we voted the contracts in..
Buzz always skipping around the question......Are you happy with the last contract that you pay yourself when you go sick?
Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 17, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
Buzz always skipping around the question......Are you happy with the last contract that you pay yourself when you go sick?
We have not had paid sick days since 1181 has been in existence. Should we have voted down all previous contracts because of that too? (At least newbies finally do.)
Yet you think losing benefits is not a good enough reason to go on strike. So we should have voted down a contract for something we NEVER HAD, but NOT vote down for something we've ALWAYS HAD?
Makes no sense.
The NYS paid sick leave law is just that......A Law that MUST be followed...The Union changed the wording in the last contract and told us on the Friday before we were to go on winter recess break that if we vote no we WILL be on strike that afternoon AND we WON'T be able to collect unemployment the following week.....More then 50 drivers told me they changed their vote.....From no to yes.....Maybe your memory needs to be jogged?
You talk about making sense? Keep worshipping the demigods of 1181....Soon you won't even have a pension!!!!!!!
You're right, John, it is THE LAW ... and as such, our union certainly does not have the ability to change THE LAW.
I'm sure you must know that THE LAW says, "the law does not apply if the collective bargaining agreement expressly waives the law's provisions and the agreement provides a comparable benefit to employees, such as paid time off."
So, THE LAW was followed in 2 ways:
1) The collective bargaining agreement waived the law.
2) The agreement provides a comparable benefit ... paid time off.
It may not be to our liking ... but it is THE LAW.
As for the timing of the would-be strike last contract, yes ... it sucked. And it looks like we might be on track for the same this time around.
Why did 1181 CHANGE the wording to basically have us pay ourselves if we go sick Buzz.....Answer please!
I don't know what you mean by "changed the wording." What ... according to you ... did they change it from?
I will put it this way....Why did they waive the law?
I can only assume they waived the law because there was no way the owners were going to give us paid sick days in addition to the paid days off most of us get. (They do give it to hires after 2013 because they aren't paid those days, thus are required to by law.)
Originally we were not going to be able to use accrual to get "paid" for sick days but 1181 managed to get that concession from them. (But yes, it amounts to paying yourself.) Maybe that's what you mean by "change the wording" ... I don't know.
Here we go!! 😠🙄😳🥴
Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 16, 2019, 11:33:01 PM
Strike is a bad bad word........Especially since the last strike accomplished ZERO.....We went backwards.....If a run does not get covered the vendor gets fined......Stop the madness......No more covering runs.....Would You rather be on strike getting no money? Wise up .......Neil would get fined approximately $15,000.00 per day for not covering work..... How long do you think he would put up with that? Do your own work and collect what you have earned....Its a simple process.......And DONT fall for the line the union will say" We must cover the work!" Yes cover YOUR own route that is all that is REQUIRED of the drivers!!!!!!!
$15,000 fine per day 180 school days=$2.7 million He will then eventually lose those runs and not be fined any longer.
$12,000 for medical insurance 350 employees annually=$4.2 million savings permanently.
I highly doubt he gives a shyt about the fines.
To all concerned
The union has never asked anyone to fill out any email addresses because if the union had the email addresses then the UNION would have emailed their response to the members. Also we would not have had to attach any letters to your trip cards or set them out on tables in the drivers room to see.
So let's get it straight..the union NEVER asked for email addresses.
If anyone has any questions about the contract emails addresses or the strike vote I will be in the drivers room tomorrow morning from 8:30 am on to answer any questions..so there is no second guessing from anyone from contract strike vote or addresses.
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Ernie
Damian Gilsenan Emails were needed for the PETS System. That's where the Company got them from.
You are absolutely correct Damian..however tbe UNION never asked nor had access to the membership emails or we would have used them the same way the companies did instead of making flyers.
this was posted on the FB page and as usual NO ONE showed up to discuss ask questions or inquire.
Ernie is that 8:30am tomorrow or Tuesday
That was posted on thursday for friday and no one showed up.
I believe I was there
Probably should have posted it HERE on Thursday, too. :shrug: