1181 Drivers Forum

I thought this topic deserved it's own thread so here is the letter that was sent to retirees recently. (Thanks to PROUD_MEMBER.)

I think it's incredible that the delegates WERE NOT EVEN INFORMED of this decision yet and had to learn of it by word-of-mouth. UNREAL!

well there had to be 1181 support.... the bosses have 3 trustees and 1181 has 3 trustees...so the vote had to include a yes vote  from a 1181 board member..  :bomb: :bomb:

Quote from: yabba on September 29, 2019, 10:36:50 PM
well there had to be 1181 support.... the bosses have 3 trustees and 1181 has 3 trustees...so the vote had to include a yes vote  from a 1181 board member..  :bomb: :bomb:

Exactly right.

In my opinion no matter what spin is put on bringing retirees back, in plain English it Stinks. First off there are to many questions that need to be answered. Such as wage, pension and welfare contributions from both the retirees and the owners. Then when they retire again what will their pensions be. Then if by some chance if enough retirees come back (which I doubt) and the lack of drivers is filled, then what? When a 20 year old comes in and applies for a job he will be told that we're not hiring at this time. We don't need 55 to 70 year old men & woman coming into our workforce. We need Young Blood in order to keep this Local and our Pensions going for years & years! And BTW let's not forget how we were told what a good contract we just got and how it would help to bring in new members. Now only a few months later this is thrown at us. Apparently the contract isn't as good as we were told. Lastly, I know that the Union Trustees do not have to inform us of matters that they are going to vote on but after what we the Members of this Local have endured throughout the last 5 to 10 years and how the majority of us have stuck by our Leadership throughout that time I think this matter should have been brought to our attention before the Trustees voted on it.
Bottom Line ... I just went from Proud Member to Not So Proud Member!

And one more thing. If some retirees do come back I will NOT hold any I'll feel towards them. Secondly, I fully understand where the Owners are coming from. Lastly, as much as I disagree with this I still stand by my Union but going forward I will go about things more cautiously.

As far a I understand, though yet to be verified, (Michael), they would start at the bottom both in pay and seniority. If that's the case, I don't see many ... if any ... taking up on the offer.

But that is beside the point. Why help the owners cover runs this way instead of coaxing them back to the table to better the contract so that new people WILL want the job? To me, this is detrimental to the local as a whole and does not benefit us in any way. So WHY DO IT?!!

It used to be that if you were getting a pension from the union that you could not go to work for any other 1181 company. Now, the union is endorsing even going back to work for your OWN company. WTF???

OK, Andy verified directly with Michael that retirees that come back to work will start at bottom pay and seniority and will contribute to pension, welfare and of course, dues.

And did Michael confirm that Neil & the other owners will also  pay into the pension & welfare for the retirees? Furthermore the retirees unlike us can work Part Time. So when it comes pick time and it's a retirees turn to pick what happens if he only wants to work in the AM? Say there's a run with one school in the morning and three schools in the afternoon. Can he just pick the one school in the morning? But one of us as a Full Time employee can't! Is that fair to us Active Members who have Seniority? Is that fair to a 21 year old kid who's looking to start a future in Our Union that starts a day after a retiree comes back?
This idea of bringing Retirees back is just a bad idea and is destructive to this Local!!!

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on September 30, 2019, 05:58:37 PM
And did Michael confirm that Neil & the other owners will also  pay into the pension & welfare for the retirees? Furthermore the retirees unlike us can work Part Time.

I failed to include that Michael did specifically tell Andrew there would be NO PART-TIMERS!

And to answer the other part of your question, employers will be making the same contributions as they would to any new hire.

Ok thanks but still leaves a bad taste.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on September 30, 2019, 09:23:47 PM
Ok thanks but still leaves a bad taste.

I completely agree. The optics are just WRONG.

It's blatantly obvious now that the union is concerned about the future pension and welfare promise. This issue is an ongoing drawback from the previous contract where the senior people were very shortsighted and thought it was OK to sell out the unborn causing a drastic reduction in hiring and retaining new drivers. Hiring new drivers for the long haul financially benefits the union as well as the owners. As far as covering work, I know Buzz and Proud have always thought that we should do it or we will lose the runs. We may, but the drivers covering those runs are not contributing double the amount to the various funds. Everyone would be eager to make extra $$$, but in the long run it is sabotaging our future.

Now that we have the answers with regards to the retirees and owners paying into the pension how will it be determined what they get when they retire AGAIN.

Do they have to work at least 5 years to be vested again?

If someone retired after 10 years and then works another 5 years does he/she now get a 15 year pension or a 10 year and a 5 year pension?

What if they come back and only work one year?

Bottom line Retirees be allowed to come back just raises to many questions and does not help our future.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on September 30, 2019, 10:55:15 PM
Now that we have the answers with regards to the retirees and owners paying into the pension how will it be determined what they get when they retire AGAIN.

Do they have to work at least 5 years to be vested again?

If someone retired after 10 years and then works another 5 years does he/she now get a 15 year pension or a 10 year and a 5 year pension?

What if they come back and only work one year?

Bottom line Retirees be allowed to come back just raises to many questions and does not help our future.

As it was explained to me, if they work at least a year they will get credit towards their pension for that year and each additional one. So in your example, yes, a 10 year retiree who works for 5 years would get a 15 year rate. (And he would be contributing for those 5 years.)

Quote from: 04012013 on September 30, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
It's blatantly obvious now that the union is concerned about the future pension and welfare promise. This issue is an ongoing drawback from the previous contract where the senior people were very shortsighted and thought it was OK to sell out the unborn causing a drastic reduction in hiring and retaining new drivers. Hiring new drivers for the long haul financially benefits the union as well as the owners. As far as covering work, I know Buzz and Proud have always thought that we should do it or we will lose the runs. We may, but the drivers covering those runs are not contributing double the amount to the various funds. Everyone would be eager to make extra $$$, but in the long run it is sabotaging our future.

No senior driver that I've talked to thinks that this contract or the previous one was good for new hires. But neither were many willing to go on strike over it and, after the last fiasco of a strike, who could blame them (us)? I can understand, however, if you see it as a "sellout."

I understand what you're saying about covering work, and you're right, the drivers doing the work are not contributing extra. But look at it this way: If we lost the runs nothing would be contributed either. The only real answer is to make the contract attractive enough for new hires that people actually want the job ... as opposed to the union helping companies cover work by allowing retirees back.

(I don't think that's going to draw many ... if any ... back in anyway.)

You guys forget about are trusted members pulling runs for their buddy's at pick time ! This is going to be fun ! Unity LMAO

Quote from: LMAO on October 01, 2019, 02:30:08 AM
You guys forget about are trusted members pulling runs for their buddy's at pick time ! This is going to be fun ! Unity LMAO

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Also let's say a Retiree does reapply ... TODAY
I'd assume he/she depending on when they retired would have to do one or more of the following

1. Get Certified by the BOE
2. Get a Medical
3. Take a Refresher Course
4. Possibly even get their CDL license again if they let it go

It's not like they could just start TOMORROW

Quote from: Buzz on October 01, 2019, 12:54:56 PM

Quote from: LMAO on October 01, 2019, 02:30:08 AM
You guys forget about are trusted members pulling runs for their buddy's at pick time ! This is going to be fun ! Unity LMAO

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Why not they do it for the summer pick

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1181 Has been setting the companies up for failure since Sal Battaglia left office...............BACK ROOM Deals people........Members have lost a LOT but gained NOTHING since 2006..............contractors used to contribute double 200% of employee contributions into pension fund! Now it's LESS! They took away Easter check for 6 years then Gave it Back? Look How Many people fired for petty Bullshit....With NO BACKING from 1181! Tens of drivers fired for 1 accident............IT'S AN ACCIDENT, NOT DONE ON PURPOSE!.............25 NO TRIP RUNS pulled 6 years ago right before pick that I witnessed changed to trip runs to take care of ass kissers!!!!I retired BEFORE I WANTED............BUT I CAN SEE THAT THIS PATH Mike Cordiello is leading the Rank and File down is a TOTAL DISASTER. After the 2013 strike of which I was a strike captain, at a luncheon thrown by 1181 to thank strike captains............I asked Mike Cordiello if in future contracts would we improve pay and benefits for new hires? He said to me " I don't give a shit about the unborn".  I KNEW we were screwed for the future! Look where we are now!

Buzz
Check ur source on the pension payout
Since there is a break in service as it was explained to me the retirees would receive two separate pensions. His/her second pension would start just like any other new hire and would not be added on to the existing pension. The amounts are the same in some cases and a little different in others. Plus the age group makes a difference especially if ur not 65 when you retire for the second time.

Quote from: John Eadicicco on October 01, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
1181 Has been setting the companies up for failure since Sal Battaglia left office.........

Funny you should say that John since you were one of the ones that knocked him constantly and worked so fervently to have him removed.

And all you did was blast me for defending him.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on October 02, 2019, 01:46:46 AM
Buzz
Check ur source on the pension payout
Since there is a break in service as it was explained to me the retirees would receive two separate pensions. His/her second pension would start just like any other new hire and would not be added on to the existing pension. The amounts are the same in some cases and a little different in others. Plus the age group makes a difference especially if ur not 65 when you retire for the second time.

LOL ... my source is the same as yours but 2 separate pensions was not the way it was explained at the time. So, as it stands now, the second pension would not be added on to the driver's first pension but would be separate and additional ... not consecutive. (As you said.)

Sal.... now thats when this local was united and respected ...a man who truely was for the last man to the top man... stevie wonder can see whats going on and see that we have headed in the wrong direction.. .... sal held a union meeting,just a general meeting and it was standing room only...a strike vote or election meeting it was full house inside and crowds in the street   ...now your lucky a union meeting has 50 members now...

Quote from: yabba on October 02, 2019, 03:07:49 PM
Sal.... now thats when this local was united and respected ...

Very true. But at the same time, we don't have behind us now who Sal did then. and we can thank the dime-droppers who wanted to "clean up" the union.

And we had a little thing called the EPP

Quote from: Buzz on October 02, 2019, 07:07:14 PM

Quote from: yabba on October 02, 2019, 03:07:49 PM
Sal.... now thats when this local was united and respected ...

Very true. But at the same time, we don't have behind us now who Sal did then. and we can thank the dime-droppers who wanted to "clean up" the union.

they cleaned it up alright... i hope they are all happy

Barry grow a pair will you....Your just a puppet for whoever runs 1181...why doesn't anyone want this job anymore... worst contact in the history of transportation... Followed by the2nd and 3rd worst courtesy of Michael Cordiello.... GIVING contractors WHATEVER they ask for!!!! WAKE Up!

BTW Barry it seems Pioneer is the ONLY company offering retirees their job back.I spoke to drivers at 3 different companies and the were unaware of this benefit. WHY in God's name would someone come back at the new rate? They have been feeding us dog shit for years and telling you it's Steak....
You VOTED them in.......SUCKS don't it? :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:There goes our pension!

Well, it was mainly our owner who pushed for it, but all companies have the option of taking retirees back. That doesn't mean they HAVE to do it.