"Department of Education chief operating officer Ursulina Ramirez acknowledged that yellow busing may not be ready by September 10."
I don't know who this person is or how new she is in her position, but she should know it would not be the first time buses rolled while negotiating contracts with the city. My guess is that until that happens they'll be on a month-to-month basis at rates specified in the truncated previous contract.
Here's the article:
https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/8/28/21406253/school-bus-contract-nyc?fbclid=IwAR0shqUf9fR5NvTVD_gZ-cFqrvdzF5YiTQX9ZVUq39Wo4qinPeror-rd22s
Maybe she's not talking about the money, maybe she's talking about the safety measures that need to be put into place before we roll.
From what I read in the article it looks like a lot of things. From not having the up to date routes in place to not solidifying contracts with the bus companies.
For my money it's possibly another excuse to delay the start of the school year. Unfortunately it seems even the so called people in the know, know absolutely nothing. They are making a mockery of the start of this school year and causing thousands and thousands of people unneeded stress.
Someone should tell Dumblasio and Carranza to grow some balls and have the guts to be upfront and honest with everyone involved. We all know about the potential job cuts throughout all the city agencies so with that being said we also know most of what comes out of there mouths is bullshit. Not sure how you would go about certifying more teachers if your potentially are going to have to lay off thousands due to job cuts.
It is time to stop the shit and admit where we are exactly even if it means schools are not ready to open. The games need to stop because this is VERY REAL FOR FAR TO MANY PEOPLE.
Quote from: Buzz on August 30, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
"Department of Education chief operating officer Ursulina Ramirez acknowledged that yellow busing may not be ready by September 10."
I don't know who this person is or how new she is in her position, but she should know it would not be the first time buses rolled while negotiating contracts with the city. My guess is that until that happens they'll be on a month-to-month basis at rates specified in the truncated previous contract.
Here's the article:
https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/8/28/21406253/school-bus-contract-nyc?fbclid=IwAR0shqUf9fR5NvTVD_gZ-cFqrvdzF5YiTQX9ZVUq39Wo4qinPeror-rd22s
i thought when we ratified our last contract,that our boss also had a 5 year contract with the city also...
I believe the teachers are going to have a strike vote this Tuesday. My opinion, as long as the teachers go back to work on September 10th all the companies will be ready as far as routes and procedures and we will roll.
Quote from: OMG on August 30, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
Maybe she's not talking about the money, maybe she's talking about the safety measures that need to be put into place before we roll.
No. They're talking money. New contracts. The runs themselves are incidental.
Quote from: yabba on August 30, 2020, 06:08:49 PM
i thought when we ratified our last contract,that our boss also had a 5 year contract with the city also...
They did but it's somehow cancelled. I suppose the contractors could take it to court, don't know what legal technicalities might be in play, but it's probably cheaper, easier and faster just to negotiate new.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on August 30, 2020, 06:33:49 PM
I believe the teachers are going to have a strike vote this Tuesday. My opinion, as long as the teachers go back to work on September 10th all the companies will be ready as far as routes and procedures and we will roll.
According to this article, delegates are going to vote whether to authorize a strike vote. (Which they almost certainly will, I believe.)
https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/8/29/21407010/nyc-teachers-union-strike-vote
They should only get strike pay like we do! They need to have something taken away. Like drs and nurses they should be essential!
Well first off if they do decide to strike they won't get paid unless it supplemented by the UFT. Also based on the Taylor Law there are many other ramifications including jail and loss of jobs.
That aside if they should be deemed essential then they should get all the necessary PPE as did the nurses and doctors.
It's troubling to see how some discredit the teachers concerns but I guess that's easy to do if it doesn't effect you directly. The facts are simple Dumblasio and the BOE waited to long to initiate a plan that still at this point has many flaws. Yes we need to move forward and that includes returning to work. But I am sorry this is way to little and way to late. They should have started this attempt back in April by now they may at least have had a plan.
Agreed they waited way too long!
Many keep saying that the city waited to long.
To long for what?
For well over a month Dumblasio has been telling us his plans for reopening schools as far as teaching and safety. The big problem is the teachers don't agree with him.
The only thing that I see that he waited to long for is to tell the public the exact procedures on school buses. And I assume that is something we all will know in a few days.
To long for what ? Is that a joke
It's one thing to say you want to open the schools and give a potential date but it's another to actually have a plan. He has yet to even provide the principals of the schools with the children who have signed up for fully remote learning and who will be attempting the hybrid program. Principals are still unsure of what teachers will be actually reporting to the school and who will be teaching remotely. I think that potentially ties the schools hands and makes it impossible to put together a proper plan.
If what was posted in the link by Buzz at the beginning of this thread is true they are just now acknowledging the fact that busing is not ready to go. Contracts have not been executed and updated routes have yet to be created. Again making it impossible for a smooth start to the school year.
Are we going to actually sit here and pretend this lame attempt at ventilation inspections is real. That's a joke in itself.
We can dance this dance as long as you want. But the simple truth is all he said was he planned to open schools on September 10th. The thing missing is the ACTUAL PLAN.
No it's not a joke. Even though I believe de Blasio is a joke, I believe he definitely has a plan to reopen.
With regards to the Principals here's a text I just got from a friend of mine who is a Principal on SI.
I asked him if he had a list of hybrid & full remote students.
Yes. I have a list for each.
I was going to call you tomorrow too.
Rumor has it that we got our ridership reports too. I have people coming in tomorrow to see what it looks like.
These ridership reports are for both special ed and general ed students complete with stops and routes.
Let me look at the reports tomorrow. I want to see them with my own eyes before I tell you that I definitely have them...
With regards to bus routes as you can see by his response the schools have been given the routes. Also we know from Ernie that Pioneer will be getting its runs this week. We also know that Consolidated already has its runs. I also know that Hoyt and Vinny's have gotten their runs.
With regards to contracts obviously no contractor is going to get a contract until September but that might be put on hold to the end of the week depending on how the teachers vote. Furthermore companies have been preparing such as Neil having the mechanics working all summer and Owen giving the safety class. Believe me Neil is not letting us get behind the wheel on September 10th without a contract in his hand.
I can't speak to the ventilation but a would have to take the BOE on there word.
Quote from: Hammer2161 on August 30, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Well first off if they do decide to strike they won't get paid unless it supplemented by the UFT. Also based on the Taylor Law there are many other ramifications including jail and loss of jobs.
That aside if they should be deemed essential then they should get all the necessary PPE as did the nurses and doctors.
It's troubling to see how some discredit the teachers concerns but I guess that's easy to do if it doesn't effect you directly. The facts are simple Dumblasio and the BOE waited to long to initiate a plan that still at this point has many flaws. Yes we need to move forward and that includes returning to work. But I am sorry this is way to little and way to late. They should have started this attempt back in April by now they may at least have had a plan.
Apparently the teachers/paras will lose 2 days pay for every 1 day they are on strike is what i heard at a boe meeting.
..if we are not behind the wheel next week,then its sept 2021.. the UFT is acting like the teachers are walking into the ICU back in the begining of April.. its time to get our lives and lively hood back...i dont want to see what will happen if we dont get back to work next week..
I spoke to my neighbor yesterday who is a para here on Staten Island and who's Aunt is a principal in Brooklyn. Yes they are now finally getting that information concerning the children and the busing but they did not have it a month ago.
Not sure if you took the time to click the link that Buzz posted at the beginning of this thread but the BOE is saying that busing may not be ready for several reasons. The two major reasons seem to be that contracts have not been executed and the new routes have not been established. The schools may have gotten a list of ridership and stops but that doesn't mean the BOE has converted that into routes.
I also know that catholic high schools here on Staten Island have already pushed back their proposed opening date by a week. And yes they have been told it could be longer if necessary. And before you ask my niece is a student at Norte Dame and their new start date is the 16th.
Let's hope your right and we are behind the wheel in 10 days.
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on August 31, 2020, 03:38:52 AM
Rumor has it that we got our ridership reports too. I have people coming in tomorrow to see what it looks like. These ridership reports are for both special ed and general ed students complete with stops and routes.
Believe me Neil is not letting us get behind the wheel on September 10th without a contract in his hand.
Ridership reports are one thing, but as of my last talk with Ernie a couple of days ago, the runs are coming down just as they were in March without direction as to how they will be done with social distancing taken into account.
I don't think contractors necessarily have to have a contract in place for buses to roll. Wouldn't be the first time they've done so while negotiations are continuing, just as we have worked without a contract in the past.
Quote from: docjones on August 31, 2020, 04:29:03 AM
Apparently the teachers/paras will lose 2 days pay for every 1 day they are on strike is what i heard at a boe meeting.
Won't happen. It's not the first time the Taylor Law has been broken either by the teachers or other unions. One of the conditions of ending a strike will certainly be that all or most penalties ... to teachers and the union ... are waived. (That's not to say they have never been imposed, but we're talking UFT here.) Won't cost them a dime over what they lost in salary during the strike.
Quote from: Hammer2161 on August 31, 2020, 12:58:07 PM
Not sure if you took the time to click the link that Buzz posted at the beginning of this thread but the BOE is saying that busing may not be ready for several reasons. The two major reasons seem to be that contracts have not been executed and the new routes have not been established. The schools may have gotten a list of ridership and stops but that doesn't mean the BOE has converted that into routes.
Bingo! Ridership reports don't translate into doable routes.
As I've said before, I believe not having a contract is a non-issue.
I agree that not having a contract in place will not be the reason we do not return to work. They can always go off the last contract until a new one is executed. That for sure has been done before when dealing with the city.
But I do believe not having the new or updated runs in place will give the BOE an excuse to push back the eventual first day of in school learning.
Also as for the teachers and the Taylor Law I believe Buzz is correct. They will surely forfeit the days they are out if the choose to actually strike. But I do not believe any other penalties will come into play even though they are available for the city to impose.
Wether Dumblasio had a plan or not at the beginning of August trying to institute it in the largest school system in the country with only 5 weeks till the potential first day of school was SIMPLY TO LATE. They had 5 months to get this all started and at the time when construction was allowed once again was when they should have started looking at the school buildings. Now he wants us to accept a hap hazard ventilation inspection as a reality.
I guess my real problem with this is simple "WHY THE HELL DID WE WAIT SO LONG". It's really that simple.
setting it up to fail so he looks like he tried. Bozo and caranza i hope im wrong.
BINGO :wave2: :wave2: :wave2: :wheremymoney
My friend sent me an email with a photo they got with social distancing rules on the bus pretty much we have seen, known and have been told already. She then said her principal said he is able to see bus routes but no vendors assigned to the route. This is a school in the city
And there in lyes the problem, seems we can see and hear a lot of things but can never get a final answer. We don't know if they are the same routes from last March or if they have been updated.
WHY DOES EVERYTHING SEEM LIKE ITS SO SECRETIVE ITS TIME FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY.
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I spoke to my neighbor yesterday who is a para here on Staten Island and who's Aunt is a principal in Brooklyn. Yes they are now finally getting that information concerning the children and the busing but they did not have it a month ago.
Not sure if you took the time to click the link that Buzz posted at the beginning of this thread but the BOE is saying that busing may not be ready for several reasons. The two major reasons seem to be that contracts have not been executed and the new routes have not been established. The schools may have gotten a list of ridership and stops but that doesn't mean the BOE has converted that into routes.
I also know that catholic high schools here on Staten Island have already pushed back their proposed opening date by a week. And yes they have been told it could be longer if necessary. And before you ask my niece is a student at Norte Dame and their new start date is the 16th.
Let's hope your right and we are behind the wheel in 10 days.
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Quote from: WigWag16 on August 31, 2020, 09:14:12 PM
My friend sent me an email with a photo they got with social distancing rules on the bus pretty much we have seen, known and have been told already. She then said her principal said he is able to see bus routes but no vendors assigned to the route. This is a school in the city
This one seriously makes me want to kill ppl!
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/richard-carranza-expands-doe-staff-as-teacher-shortage-layoffs-loom/
Hey, am I the only one that did it receive their unemployment this morning?
I got mine too. The 2.5 hours on the phone paid off!
Don't we have a contract in place already that's still valid? It was broken by what was done to us but its still there isnt it?
Quote from: wheresmymoney! on September 01, 2020, 03:04:14 PM
Don't we have a contract in place already that's still valid? It was broken by what was done to us but its still there isnt it?
We have a contract with the company. They're talking about the company's contract with the city.
I can't get though to unemployment does anyone have an alternative number to call besides the regular claims number ?
Quote from: MR.AIRPRESSURE on September 01, 2020, 04:14:58 PM
I can't get though to unemployment does anyone have an alternative number to call besides the regular claims number ?
There is no alternate number. You just have to keep trying.
Just heard that schools aren't opening until September 21 can anybody confirm that?
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on September 01, 2020, 04:48:37 PM
Just heard that schools aren't opening until September 21 can anybody confirm that?
Yeah I was watching the conferences but missed it....asked
Multiple people in the chat that were watching and they said From what DeBlasio just said remote starts the 16th, blended starts the 21st
Deblasio just announced blended learning won't start till sept 21
https://twitter.com/ny1/status/1300802910390022148?s=21
It's not like they didn't have 6 months or anything......can't wait till September 21 comes and they say ohhh it's not safe we gotta push it back again 🤦🏻♂️ Guess painting murals in the streets were more
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I wonder If Catholic and Jewish schools going back the 10th?
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-delays-start-of-in-person-classes-to-sept-21