The Driver helping the office by picking up that child at I.S 51 this afternoon,.YOUR AN IDIOT AND IF I KNEW YOUR BUS # Id post it MORON.7.5% JERKOFF
Faceit...I heard the same thing,sat there shocked that this $hit goes on a week before we take a non negotiated pay cut. I did the numbers in my head quickly and If you take $80.00(just a quick estimate off top pay gross,I know people make less) x 360 drivers thats around $28,800.00 a week. He is making that just by cutting pay,forget about the accrual checks he has held back for that he gets favors? Disgraceful. How many times do you have to get beat over the head before reality sets in ? Maybe he missed signing the paperwork and his brain is still frozen from the strike....time to thaw out.
M C bottom line we do have ASSHOLES here that just dont care.
Its a smack in the face to ernie and andy who have ask us all to please not leave the yard before thier starting time ,cover your own work and NO Cell phones to office(find a payphone. And call collect)Make no mistake we know who they are and what goes around comes around. Out of 300+ drivers there only a few bad apples and when the right time comes they will be expozed for the way they turn there back on us when we need unity to survive .Also herd there was 15hearingshis today,i hope that no one paid or lost time over electric problem's. (Straight from ed gig no way anybody should be held responsable for electrc problems ) no you have the right to abatration. Its time we ask how we can help our union and make it strong again. We are not dead yet and will not go down without a good fight! Remember next week the scumbalg will strike again! Watch you checks. ...REMEBER THERES ONLY ABOUT 10%the BEING SELFISH SCUMBAGS AND EVERYTIME THEY LEAVE THE YARD EARLY,COVER WORK OR USE THE CELLPHONE WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN! STAND TALL MY BROS AN SISTERS WE WILL GET PASSED THIS. GOD BLESS 1181!!!!!!!!!!!!
electric problems?
Yabba what i ment was(marker lights,brake lights ect.)if you do nothing wrong and feel your right go to arbatration.The union cant bail us out all the time so its time to stand behind them and fight for our rights.BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND YOURS! GOD BLESS 1181
Quote from: 1union on April 20, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Yabba what i ment was(marker lights,brake lights ect.)if you do nothing wrong and feel your right go to arbatration.The union cant bail us out all the time so its time to stand behind them and fight for our rights.BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND YOURS! GOD BLESS 1181
ok i got you...hey lets face it most inspections are done after the am run...bulbs can go out at anytime,we do a pre trip before our run,everything working,then hit brake probably 300 times during our am run,bingo a bulb goes out we get screwed...no no there shouldnt even be a hearing on it period..
is it true at the hearings(I dont know over which infractions exactly) all were paid by drivers on friday?
Sorry Kramer, But After Talking With You On Friday and Learning That You Agreed To Pay A $ 200 Fine, Then That Same Day Did A " FAVOR " by Covering A Field Trip, You Are Definetly IDIOT of The Week. I Think Ur A Nice Guy, But Ur Not Helping!!!
Kramer not sure I understand your logic...care to explain?Are you and your family soo secure you can withstand the paycuts and live great? If you can God Bless You, you have alot of liquid worth, however your morals for the rest of us that are hanging by a thread and this is our primary source of income is repulsive and nauseating.
WOE, WOE,WOE! Tommy called my cell phone just after I left the yard. If I knew it was Pioneer I wouldn't have picked it up. Now that he got me on the phone are we allowed to say "NO I refuse to do this"? Sorry I answered the phone but I very rarely get social calls on my cell, It's usually an emergency. My father is 93 he can go any time, so when the phone rings I pick it up. I'll be more careful next time. They caught me off guard. I'm all in with the union. I've been doing every single thing they say. All the rallys and Union meetings etc.
Please don't give me a bad rap over this. As far as the fine goes Ernie and Eddy Gigs couldn't help me with this one, so I have to pay. What do you want me to do?
PS ,I need this job as much as anyone here!
kramer let it go to voice mail then check it.... FUCK THE OFFICE
Kramer,speaking for myself only,my frustration lies with the situation. However just a reminder,by you picking up that phone in the bus it is a violation in itself. So think of yourself first and foremost,and the job you need and rely on,as the boss does himself before you and yours.
Thanks Faceit. I screwed up by just quickly answering the cell. I was in Debbie's pet store at the checkout. The phone rang and I answered. Didn't ever think it could be Pioneer, I just left there from my hearing. Won't happen again. Like I said they caught me off guard. Believe me I did not volunteer to do that trip. I left the office $200 in the hole and with my back out. Last thing I needed was that trip. But once they got you on the phone I don't think you can say no. I'm all in with whatever our union tells us 100%. Don't think it was fair that George put me in a bad light.
This is my first violation, didn't know I had the choice of taking a day off. If that was offered I would have went that way, especially with my back out. Thanks again for the good advice.
Kramer dont worry about it it happens tommy shouldnt call you at all. Glad to see your on board b e careful with your phone inspectors have cameras. Be safe
Kramer You Put Yourself In That Bad Light !!!
Hey George, I hope you don't think I have to answer to you. That will be the day! I explained to my pioneer co-workers what happened but your still not happy. Get a fucking life. Who are you to sit on your fat ass judging anybody. Even after I spoke to you Friday you had to air the dirty laundry out for everyone to read including the owner. He loves to see us against each other. Whos the idiot. Dick!
Kramer I did not know your situation, this topic was started for the IDIOT who answered over the radio to help out at I.S 51, Sorry if some people can't mind there own business and threw you under the BUS...
No Faceit, that was not me. My pal George felt it necessary to scold me for paying my $200 fine and covering a trip Friday, which I did not volunteer to do. I really wish all this coming against each other would stop. Nothing could make the owner happier than us coming against each other.
KRAMER, I REALIZE YOUR UPSET. SO I'M NOT GONNA CURSE BACK. BUT JUST REMEMBER ONE THING, IT'S DICKS LIKE ME THAT MADE THIS JOB WHAT IT IS TODAY ! I GAVE MY LIFE TO THIS JOB & CAREER, AND NO I'M NOT GONNA SIT ON MY FAT ASS WHILE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THROW IT ALL AWAY. SO IF THAT MEANS AIRING IT HERE, THEN SO BE IT.
George I'm all in just like you. Not as long but I'm all in. I made a mistake by just answering the cell. Are we OK if we tell Tommy NO once we answer? And like I said I should have let it go to voice mail, OK I got it. Geez can you let it go. Your making this bigger than it is. Believe me I did not want that trip. If Ernie tells us if we get caught off guard and answer the phone (even at home) and we can say no, I will do it.
Taking days off was not offered! Owen said $200. Eddy said how do you want to pay? I said I guess I'll give you a check. Eddy said no they will take it out of your pay. Ernie set it up for four pays. What the fuck did I do wrong.
I know your frustrated over all that's happening and so am I. Thursday I'll be $80 plus $50 fine out. Vent your frustrations somewhere else.
I'M DONE HERE, I HOPE THE POINT WAS MADE ! GOOD NIGHT
Kramer don't worry we know you got caught off guard. That was low for numbers to air it on the site.
Quote from: mirrorcheck on April 20, 2013, 09:51:41 PM
is it true at the hearings(I dont know over which infractions exactly) all were paid by drivers on friday?
Yes, there were about 4 or 5. Two things to consider here:
1) If your record is not flawless, paying the fine is always cheaper than taking a suspension because a suspension will take into account prior "bad marks" and could result in 2, 3 or more days suspension. (I'm told this was true in Kramer's case.)
2) If you go in admitting the violation was a result of your negligence, (as was true of most of those who got fines Friday), there is nothing Ernie can do for you. People are told repeatedly not to talk until they speak to Ernie, but some people are determined to put the noose around their own necks.
The latter is very frustrating to Ernie. At the same time, I think it bespeaks the fact that most of us are good, honest people willing to take responsibility for our actions, or lack thereof. Unfortunately, our reward for being those kinds of employees is having our incomes cut by up to 20%.
Jeeze, can we give Kramer a break? It wasn't intentional. The guy is human. He made a mistake ... which didn't result in anybody's death. Cut him some slack for crying out loud.
Quote from: faceit on April 19, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
The Driver helping the office by picking up that child at I.S 51 this afternoon,.YOUR AN IDIOT AND IF I KNEW YOUR BUS # Id post it MORON.7.5% JERKOFF
Ernie knew who it was and gave the guy the "talking to" that he deserved.
Nobody thought of this :
What a pair of ba!!s by the office to fine a guy $200 AND
then Tommy sticks it really far up the drivers a$$ by giving the guy a last minute trip! I view this as intentional to stick it to the driver even further.
The office was sending a message - this is not coincidence.
Vicious!
Buzz, Thanks for that breakdown. At first it seemed like paying the fine was "helping" the company rather then take the suspension. How you laid that all out makes more sense.
Also, even if you have no priors, paying the fine will not be included in any possible future "progressive discipline" as would a suspension.
So its "rigged" to force your hand to pay said fine and walk out as opposed to taking a suspension.
Yes ... you could say that ...
I tell ya, I've had a problem with the cost of these fines from the beginning. There has got to be something illegal about giving an employee a fine for upwards of $200.00 for a light bulb. Also the suspension option smells like a rat too. I'm gonna really look into this from a legal stand point, I bet you a Ron Kuby type lawyer would love to hear about this, some sort of rights are being ingored here, maybe civil. This is kind of like price gauging at the pump, it's been ignored and over looked long enough.
Quote from: Numbers on April 22, 2013, 02:14:40 AM
KRAMER, I REALIZE YOUR UPSET. SO I'M NOT GONNA CURSE BACK. BUT JUST REMEMBER ONE THING, IT'S DICKS LIKE ME THAT MADE THIS JOB WHAT IT IS TODAY ! I GAVE MY LIFE TO THIS JOB & CAREER, AND NO I'M NOT GONNA SIT ON MY FAT ASS WHILE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THROW IT ALL AWAY. SO IF THAT MEANS AIRING IT HERE, THEN SO BE IT.
Your a real union guy George when it comes to charters and paid specials you think that the senority list starts and ends with you, how is it you do a charter and the rest of the people on that list don't get one and then you happen to get another one, very convenant how and when you choose to be this UNION GUY you are trying to portray yourself as.. Stop making believe your so union.
Faceit You Should Get Ur Facts Before Opening Ur Mouth, I Did 1 Charter This Year ( Not That I Have To Answer To You, Hmm Where Did We Hear That Before) And You Know As Well As I That When It Comes To Making Money, There Ain't One Charter Guy Here That Would Question AndyThat It Was His Turn When Asked.So If You Think Something Is Not Being Done Right Ask Andy Or Ernie, I Would .
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REMEMBER COVER YOUR OWN WORK,LEAVE NOT BEFORE STARTING TIME,AND NO CELL PHONES TO OFFICE (USE A PAY PHONE ANX CALL COLLECTor goGO BACK AN See WHAT THEY WANT))and wright everything up cover you ass. GOD BLESS1181.
Everybody knows who "Kramer" is, and everybody knows who "Numbers" is. Therefore, "Kramer" was able to take it up personally with "Numbers." We don't know who you are. If you're going to call names and make accusations against people who have been identified here, they should know who YOU are so they can take it up with YOU.
P.S. 1union ... I do not happen to believe that Kramer deserved being humiliated as he was. It was an honest, innocent mistake. The guy is more of a union supporter and team player than many here. He should not be made a scapegoat and I personally feel he is due an apology. All you guys are doing is helping "Them" divide and conquer. Just my humble opinion.
I guess I have to add my worthless 2 cents to what's happening now so here it goes! I am NOT a union rep but if I was there would NOT be any hearings held at this time! I. WOULDN'T allow any of my members into a hearing UNTIL our DIGNITY ( the 7/12% pay cut coming) is restored! Neil immediately pockets approx. $24,00.00 A WEEK starting this FRIDAY. WAKE UP 1181!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What exact language and/or reason makes us have to present people in hearings yet he can cut pay raise medical contributions etc? Something is seriously wrong with this whole situation.
Thanks Buzz for the edit. I didn't get to see what was written and I'm glad. I answered all the accusations already. As far as the phone: I said I screwed up and pick it up. Got caught
off guard. The fine: Taking time was not offered. You explained why in a previous post. Why is this still going on? But if anyone has anything to say to me, I'll be in the drivers room 6:30 AM.
Amen :wave:
No one should ever have to pay a dime for a light bulb. Even if you checked it right before you get on line for inspection and all lights are working. There is no guarantee that that tail light bulb will work 2 seconds later. Two facts are indisputable here...first, all light bulbs will fail at some point and secondly no one can tell you when it will fail. You may have the misfortune to have a bulb blow while you are on the line. If the union does not back us on that then they are not doing their job.
A bulb should be a correctable violation. If a motorist gets a summons for a defective light, they can get it corrected within 24 hrs with no fine. Why are we being treated any differently?
If it is permissible under the vehicle and traffic law, why isn't the union taking a stand on this. Wasn't the manager a former police officer?
Dear Kramer,
George, Buzz, and all of 1181 members, I too have been caught off Guard. Ex: Office calling my Home # and picking it up. However that was 7 Yrs. ago and only once. Learned my lesson. Wound up taking a Trip to Manhattan, because somebody in Office knew I lived near B. Sac. School. Also, 3 Yrs. ago picked up a Run for my Pal in PM because I knew he was going to a Ball Game with His Children that Night. " HELL NO " Not Ever No More! Listen to Ernie and Andy, to the Letter of the Law. Times have changed, yes, but if you stick as ONE your going to Win and get Back Pay with Interest on Top of What Owner Withheld and Damages. Ex: My Ex Wife receives a certain amount of $ according to a Federal Judge, and my present Salary, Neil just reduced that amount? She has notified N.O.W. National Organization of Women Owner Just Changed Hers and Kids Support? Whilst getting his same Contract? I've Been told By Labor Lawyers, Employees may very well wind up with " Ownership " of Pioneer when NLRB makes there Decision, sue for " Unfair Labor Practice " not only that, your rights and dignity have been violated, which is going to cost owner also. Save records of any Bounced Checks, Ex: Little League, Food, Fuel, Goods, Mtge. Utilities, Spousal Payments. " All of You " unpaid bills, Bus by Bus, your going to win.
Also, you have a lil " Rat Fink " in Office! Guess Who it is ? 3 x' s I was accused of smoking Pot and also Drinking, Fatso Driver who is an Ex NYC POS No Names but . everyone in Pioneer Knows. Heck. thinking of << Suing Pioneer and if I win will Divvy up Company and Fire Sissy Bitch First. Hmm its not Bobby! Was told and drove back to Office, as ordered and thought something happened to my 89 yr. old Mom. Worst Drive of my Life. Or a Son., Didn't tell me anything, 7 Yrs. later, Freedom of Info. Act and 2 x's more.
Listen to Ernie and Andrew, I do love em, in the end do what they SAY! Listen to them. The Donkeys from Midland Beach are with you. Stay Together. Don't Fight against each other and you will WIN! , I followed Office, Hmm personnel Following you and have " 24 "infractions on Tape, also, Tommy can you do that ?" Drive " after working 12 Hours? For NYC Bd. of Ed? My 12 Yr. Old Son. Has been told told to hit you hard if you bump into him In Town, He will Kick ur Arse Pussy.
Here it is 3 AM & I'm up because my back is freaken killing me. But I'll drag myself to work because I really can't afford any more pay cuts. But thanks jb for the good advise. I type with one finger so I'm really getting tired of explaining this story. Yes I am in the habit of picking my phone right up. My father is 93. last year I got a call on my cell. It was FDNY at his apt. telling me what Hosp. the EMT's were bringing him to. When my cell rang Fri. it did not say Pioneer. I picked it up and it was Tommy. By the way I was supposed to be off Fri. My AM school was closed. But I had to come in for the violation and then to top it off I got shanghide into that trip all with this damn bad back. I already said to the brothers I"m sorry wont happen again. What the fuck do some of these guys want my first born. This is crazy now. This driver who goes by 1 union wrote something towards me that Buzz had to delete. What the hell is that all about. 2 days ago he wrote very supportive to me, (don't worry just be careful next time etc.) The owner must be laughing his balls off with us fighting like this. I'm going to say this hopefully for the last time. I do not go against anything the union tells us to do. What happened was a mistake, not intentional. I came from a union job and I know you don't go against the union. I'm more involved with this union than I was with FDNY. I went to City Hall (with my car and took four other guys) I went to the Zoo 6AM on my own time not strike time, I went to the bridge march ( with my own car and other drivers) I went to the union meeting. I owe Andy & Ernie for getting me this job. I'm not going to go against them in any way. So please can we let this go. If anybody thinks I'm an easy target to vent their frustration on, think again. Please don't force me to loose this job over bullshit. 1 union, I see you invoke Gods blessing often, (God bless 1181) Well doesn't God say "thou shall not bear false witness on your neighbor" I'm asking you nice, stop. whoever you are. You know what's funny? With all this petty shit I never heard one peep about something really heavy. I heard there were 1181 members that took their accrual checks. If that's true shouldn't that be mentioned here. And maybe not. Maybe we shouldn't be tearing into each other. Thanks again jb!
I wrote nothing but a bus# because it was heard all o er the radio.you made a mistake but u have to pay attention. I thnk the point was made. Best of luck to you !
Kramer you don't have to explain yourself to ASSHOLES on this site anymore, FUCKEM if they dont understand, Only there issues are important, God Bless your old man.
Quote from: Numbers on April 23, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Faceit You Should Get Ur Facts Before Opening Ur Mouth, I Did 1 Charter This Year ( Not That I Have To Answer To You, Hmm Where Did We Hear That Before) And You Know As Well As I That When It Comes To Making Money, There Ain't One Charter Guy Here That Would Question AndyThat It Was His Turn When Asked.So If You Think Something Is Not Being Done Right Ask Andy Or Ernie, I Would .
HMMM I have no Idea where you heard it before
OK 1union, sorry for the misunderstanding. Friday was a really bad day, I just want to put it behind me now and move on. Yes I'll be careful, I don't want to be caught off guard again.
Thanks for the support faceit. Yeah, I'm finished. Hope we can all move on to the next subject. Who would have thought the subject (IDIOT) would have four pages. I guess they're is a little idiot in us all, just ask our wives. http://1181drivers.com/smf/Smileys/smileys4smf/snicker.gif