1181 Drivers Forum

I'm told the DOE called the union and contractors in for a big pow-wow this morning. I'm guessing this can only be a good thing as talks have not only stalled in previous meetings but actually went in reverse!

So what happened?

Anything at all?

You've got to love the transparency, and how they keep their members informed.

Haven't talked to Ernie, but Andy said that there was a "lot of back-and-forth" and the meeting lasted all day ... into the early evening. Presumably they are making some kind of progress, but nothing firm yet. They are scheduled to all meet again tomorrow, Tuesday.

Any news on progress,if any at today's meeting.

OK, the meeting was NOT with the city, but a federal mediator was present. Lasted all day again ... until 6:00 without making any meaningful progress. Michael has a conference call with the mayor's office again tomorrow. It's not looking good and although they're trying to avoid it ... at this point at least ... a strike seems almost inevitable.

The one thing to remember is, if and when we do get a contract WE have the final say as to whether or not to accept it.

when was our last raise ???and am i wrong in feeling our w2s  are down 10% over the last few years....  i would love to see how down all the other peoples w2s are ...

Time to strike is NOW!! We cannot wait til January

Quote from: Goose623 on November 18, 2015, 04:09:30 PM
Time to strike is NOW!! We cannot wait til January

Maybe, but there are a lot of people who might not be in favor of being on strike on Thanksgiving and Christmas... just saying.

what is the owner offering anything or just 0% or does he want concessions from the worker??

Andy and Erine should be in the office only!!!  Not the other drivers Helping out.

It is time to have an off site union meeting with only Pioneer drivers.
In order to discuss our options and action to be taken.

Why can't we get an update on the content of the conversation between the union and Neil so we have some clue of what's happening in these meetings.We're in the dark

Quote from: Eucerin on November 18, 2015, 04:43:15 PM
what is the owner offering anything or just 0% or does he want concessions from the worker??

No, just doesn't want to give ANYTHING back and 1% ... so, basically NOTHING.

So basically he took about 7 percent away and wants to give 1 back.
Nice guy.

Just my opinion.
He didn't take 7% away.
We have him 7% back.
Let's not forget no one FORCED any of us to sign the last contract.

Meant to say
We gave him 7% back

Quote from: Buzz on November 18, 2015, 03:43:24 AM
It's not looking good and although they're trying to avoid it ... at this point at least ... a strike seems almost inevitable.

I've seen this movie before.  Didn't like it the first time.  Terrible ending.

I think this is the sequel, believe is going to be worse than the first time around...

Well, if these so called great negotiators would have actually used their heads they easily would have seen this coming. Who gives things back on a "promise" to maybe get it back.  On a promise to possibly revisit the issue if we get an extension. %#@*ing idiots !  It should have said, "we get it back upon an extension". What the @@ck were they thinking !  I heard a lot of tough talk in the beginning of the year and during the refresher courses about "we'll lock the gates it we don't get what we want".  Well here we are.  Bargain my money away on a damn promise. I don't want to hear they had no choice, that's bullshit there's always a choice.

Rock Steady
I understand EXACTLY what you are saying about the current contract, the givebacks and the negotiators. The only thing you left out was that the OVERWHELMING majority of members at Pioneer agreed to that contract. The thing I don't understand is that the majority always does exactly what the Union suggests which in all probability (since they know better than us) is the best thing available. BUT .... As always no one with the exception of myself and a couple (and I mean a couple literally) of members tells Ernie and/or the Union Reps. what's on their minds until after the fact if not at all. Don't get me wrong I'm not talking about you or any member personally but I'm curious with regards to your last post did you state that to our Representation in front of other Members before we signed it? I've come to see that for the most part many of us do not speak what's on our mind, we just go along with the majority. I personally believe in speaking what's on my mind to everyone from Micheal on down whether or not it is the favorable idea around.But I speak before a decision is made. Having said that, no matter what I am a Union member ... So the majority has spoken ... If we need to Strike Lets Go!

Quote from: Grrr on November 18, 2015, 10:24:56 PM

Quote from: Buzz on November 18, 2015, 03:43:24 AM
It's not looking good and although they're trying to avoid it ... at this point at least ... a strike seems almost inevitable.

I've seen this movie before.  Didn't like it the first time.  Terrible ending.

And it cost me $5000 to see it.

The last I heard,Neil's last offer was,get NOTHING back with a 1% increase.Take it go on strike.Not that we should care what he does,it seems to me he's not concerned about his loses or how it will hurt him if we strike. It does make wonder what his plan is to be dug in.If he's  not afraid to take the huge financial hit,I don't see how we will benefit from a strike .We can't make a sound decision without all the facts on both side.We need a special meeting sat Pioneer yard and have some questions answered.Again as I said before,we're in the dark.

I agree with LMR 100%. Furthermore we should have had this type of meeting before the strike vote but that is the past. Let's not make the same mistakes that we've made in the past. As far as an actual meeting of Pioneer members it should be a special order of business meeting held at a hall of all the members of all the Pioneer yards including Micheal, all the delegates and shop stewards. Not a stand around for a 1/2 hour outside in the elements in each Pioneer yard seperatly. We are Union members who's livelihoods are on the line and we should be treated as such and demand (if needed) as much!

Great post by rock steady, lmr, and proud.  Thank you to buzz in attempting to keep members updated. 

Excellent point,Proud Member about all Pioneer yards at one meeting in at an auditorium with Michael and all necessary delegates so we can have an intelligent discussion so we can make an intelligent decision.There's a lot at stake!!As members in good standing,I believe we deserve at least that much consideration.

Ernie is at Pioneer every day. It's possible that he's not there at a time when it's convenient for you ... like the exact time you come in in the morning or waiting for you when you get back in the afternoon ... but he's there all day, every day, unless he's out on union business. ANYBODY is welcome to come back during the day and talk to him ... he will be more than happy to answer your questions and tell you whatever he can. (You can always call first and make sure he's there.)

Being you guys are on here, you know just about everything he could possibly tell you. There is no "news." Talks are stagnant and are going nowhere, but if you want to hear it from the horse's mouth you have every right to ... go in and see him.

Or, you can wait for the yard meeting he intends to call very soon.

Buzz
Apparently you are missing the whole point here and I'm not going to get into one of those back and forth things. This is not about Ernie or if Ernie and when Ernie is around. We all know we can talk to Ernie but the only problem with that is its on a one on one basis. It's about all of the Union Members of Pioneer sitting down with each other and with all of our Representation and discussing the future of ourselves & our families. Please don't play stupid here. You know as well as I do from talk around the yard, talk at the schools and talk on this site that all of us are fed up with everything and that we are far from all being on the same page. Regardless of what Neil is or is not offering there are guestions & issues that need to be addressed with all the Members of Pioneer present in a respectable atmosphere and then we'll take it from there. I have hope & respect for all in involved so I'll leave it at that.

Not "playing stupid" and I resent the remark. You seem to think that if you had everybody together and the entire executive board at your disposal, that you could get answers you could not otherwise get. Not true. There is no magic bullet, none of them have any more to say than Ernie and, like it or not, Pioneer is not any more (or less) important to 1181 than any other company ... except to Ernie.

And if you could get EVERYBODY to kick in say, $10, maybe we could hire a hall for the meeting. (Good luck with that.)

Time to stop all the bullshit Ill say it again, Wildcat Strike lets all walk for a day That will shake up everyone from the top to the Bottom, and for sure the mayor and the public.

Buzz
How do you know what the Board has to say but besides that the point is NOT SHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY it's what we the MEMBERS AT PIONEER HAVE TO SAY. Furthermore what are you saying to Ernie and the EB we are only worth a meeting in a hall if we pay for it. Oh and by the way we already do. It comes out of our checks every week and physically & emotionally out of the stress that this job has given all of us over the last few years. I like Ernie and believe he thinks of our best interests  but I think it's time to give it a break. He can speak for himself. One more thing with regards to a special order of business meeting. If people around here starting speaking OUT LOUD what's on their minds and not yesing Ernie the Board would have no recourse but to have that meeting. When the vote and Michael and the Executive Board's jobs were on the line there was a special order of business meeting and Ernie & the Members of Pioneer of Staten Island were and are the main reason they were elected in the first place and able to keep their jobs. Now you're telling me when our livelihoods are on the line it doesn't work that way. Not true. The only thing that makes it true is people like you saying it won't happen. I come on this site and try my best to be respectful and to keep specific thoughts (whether mine or other members) off the site for the world including Neil to see. So I'll say one more thing. I talk to Ernie a lot and I talk to just about every Member that crosses my path. The general consensus is we need a civilized meeting with ALL the members of ALL the yards with our President and EB. This is our futures and I RESENT anyone whether it's you, Ernie, Micheal making light of it.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on November 20, 2015, 07:57:37 AM
The only thing that makes it true is people like you saying it won't happen.

Actually, it's people like ERNIE saying it won't happen ... but keep hoping.

So your saying Ernie said it won't happen and apparently you are like Ernie because you're repeating it. The bottom line is from my informal poll (which you yourself said is always right) the majority of the Members want it but like you they are afraid to say something OUT LOUD that Ernie doesn't agree with. I'm sure with my last few posts I have made my point. Your comments are about what Ernie says. Mine are about what the Members are saying and Ernie would be the first one to agree with me. As far as this site goes I really can't put it out there in anymore black-and-white. As I stated 3 or 4 posts ago I do not want to go back & forth. So I'm done. If need be I'll take a different route. Stay United but speak your piece!

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on November 20, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
The bottom line is from my informal poll (which you yourself said is always right)

No, I did not say that your informal poll is always right.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on November 20, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
Your comments are about what Ernie says. Mine are about what the Members are saying and Ernie would be the first one to agree with me.

Yes, my comments were reflective of Ernie's phone call and his reaction to your post and others.

And please let us know if Ernie agrees with you, ok?

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on November 20, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
As I stated 3 or 4 posts ago I do not want to go back & forth.

Well, it's already too late for that, but that's ok ... that's what message boards are for.

I was referring to your statement 1 month ago before the strike vote when you said informal polls are accurate. PS: Thanks for the info on the dentist office.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on November 20, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
I was referring to your statement 1 month ago before the strike vote when you said informal polls are accurate. PS: Thanks for the info on the dentist office.

Right ... which was anonymous and random ... your poll was neither and therein lies the difference. But that's not to say that it can't be right.

And, you're welcome.

Proud member...........................SUCKS pissing into the wind.Doesn't it?

I don't get it..

People want a meeting..with the EB ..to talk about our future and the Strike..


DUH!!!..there are meetings all the time..try going to them and SPEAKING up...

Damn..is it that hard to realize???   

Just_Right
Sorry but I don't understand your post. Are you saying people don't go to Meetings or are you saying when they do that they're not given the opportunity to speak?

Ernie made a point of hanging around the drivers room Friday afternoon. As of the time I came in, nobody had asked him about a special union meeting or Pioneer-only meeting. People will come on here and piss and moan, but when they have the perfect opportunity to voice their concerns in person, DON'T.

Buzz
What time did u come in?

So you answered your own question about a meeting ..obviously you don't go to meetings..because if you did you could ask anything you wish..and speak freely..I never said no one can speak up..read it again..it says SPEAKING UP!!!

I know Ernie says when to go to IMPORTANT meetings..But he NEVER said you shouldn't go to any meeting. I have always heard him say it is YOUR option if you want to go or not. It's posted once a month every month.

You say that members don't want to disagree with Ernie..but I have had some serious talks with him and there were things I disagree with and told him. So what's their problem? He can only tell us what is going on. And sometimes it's nothing.

I have asked him the same thing that everyone else does..*What's going  On"? And his answer to me was *We are going back and forth in negotiations but other than that nothing yet..I have nothing good to bring back to members"

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I READ HERE.

Just _Right
I just asked you simply to clarify your post. I didn't put words in your mouth. I didn't say anything about what Ernie said or didn't say. So I'll leave you with three facts. One, I don't think it is beneficial to us to discuss specifics on this site. Two, everything that I post or have ever posted on this site is the truth and is being posted in concern for myself, my family and my Union Brothers & Sisters and their families. Lastly, I'll be at the Union Meeting Tuesday night and I will ask a lot of questions.

Let's all forget about Pionner and have A blessed Thanksgiving to all my pioneer families enjoy

Let's all forget about Pionner and have A blessed Thanksgiving to all my pioneer families enjoy

Same to U J.T.
Best post I've seen on this site in a few years!

So Buzz, what is the end result, considering all your information is wrong, heard from someone else or just imagined?

Quote from: WakeUp123 on December 23, 2015, 03:29:35 PM
So Buzz, what is the end result, considering all your information is wrong, heard from someone else or just imagined?

If you think all my information is "wrong," why on earth would you ask me for any more?   :shrug:

Buzz, first of all I don't. Second look back at all the "big info" posts you made about the current sad state of affairs this union, job and industry is in you have been wrong or misleading with the majority of them. Just reread the beginning of this posting. You put it out there that your in the know pass off the information and are wrong 99.9 % of the time. Numerous times I have heard Ernie to tell you to shut up with your posts.

If your going to put "BREAKING NEWS" out there make sure you know the facts.

Quote from: WakeUp123 on December 23, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
Buzz, first of all I don't. Second look back at all the "big info" posts you made about the current sad state of affairs this union, job and industry is in you have been wrong or misleading with the majority of them. Just reread the beginning of this posting. You put it out there that your in the know pass off the information and are wrong 99.9 % of the time. Numerous times I have heard Ernie to tell you to shut up with your posts.

If your going to put "BREAKING NEWS" out there make sure you know the facts.

Know I KNOW you're full of it! 99.9% of what I post about contract negotiations COMES from Ernie and is posted with his CONSENT.

NOW YOU KNOW MY COMMENTS ARE HITTING THE TARGET. THIS IS WHAT EVERY "BLOGGER HACK" DOES WHEN THEY GET SCHOOLED, THEY POST AMUSING PHOTOS. BUZZ ARE YOU STILL GOING TO BE THE NEXT GM OF PIONEER? HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE IF THEY DONT ALLOW YOU IN THE OFFICE?

Buzz , please just block this asshole

Quote from: Squid on December 24, 2015, 03:30:34 AM
Buzz , please just block this asshole

Nah ... why deprive him of the one thing he's worked so hard to become?

Just remember , I called it the way it is. Buzz cannot 'BLOCK" a user who tells the truth and calls attention to REALITY. HOWEVER SQUID AND ET.AL. can continue to believe what ever BS that comes down the pike with a big smile . Especially when it comes mostly from a 'in the know " 'playing both ends from the middle" know it all.

Buzz don't worry Neil is going to make you GM soon. You would be perfect for the job.