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Are you saying all the 'union" problems were caused by the group 'MEMBER FOR CHANGE" in the last 5 years like benefits lowered, different pay scales, unemployed drivers, individual company contract negotiations, no paid overtime, no raises for 5 years is their fault? I thought the Cordiello crew was in office?

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All problems brought on by members of change and you are in denial ,,, but the court jesters usually are....

Quote from: gigi11744 on December 30, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
There was a time when this Union was strong,it had its problems but it was strong,then comes a knight in shinning armor we shall call this knight (MEMBERS FOR CHANGE) .Now they were led by the  the over lord Eddie Kaye ,and his Right hand men John Bisbaine (R.I.P )and Thomas Salerno,Now these Band of merry men were going to save us from a union that they said was corrupt ,stealing our money,But every week my paycheck was there,my raises were always fair,and like clock work contracts were done with any drama,our pension was a little weak,but it was solvent,our medical was free and probably one of the best,everyone was working ,everyone had the same pay scale ,vacation and,overtime was always paid,union got theirs,owners got theirs and we got ours,Now things have changed thanks to our white knights ,haven't had a raise in 5 yrs,I'm paying more and more for my watered down medical,different pay scales for union members,4500 working men and women were out of work,no more overtime,vacation pay slashed,accrual pay slashed ,snow days slashed,now owners are stealing our money not the corrupt Union like our white knights have alleged.Now because of all this they have the balls to lay this on the unions shoulders.. Thank you my Brave White Knights you have done all of us a great service,

You 100% correct!! It was the dime-droppers, the whistle blowers that killed this local! (BTW, the name was Bisbano.) Yep, they wanted to "Clean up the union. Throw out the trash." Well, I hope they and all their supporters are happy with what they did. They and they alone are responsible for where we are now. And they want us to put them in office so they can "save" us again.

Buzz, how exactly did the "MEMBERS of CHANGE" kill this local? Were they responsible for the last contract? Were they responsible for Neil RENEGING on the last contract that took money away after the contract was signed? Were they responsible for the union negotiating separately with the companies they represent weakening the cornerstone of the American Labor movement "COLLECTIVE BARGANING"? Were they responsible for owners refusing to pay OVERTIME? Were they responsible for the decrease in BENEFITS? Were they responsible for the DISASTEROUS STRIKE THAT GAINED NOTHING?

I don't know Buzz, I don't remember these guy's in office in the last 6 years I only remember the Cordiello crew in power.

Again obviously some people just don't comprehend what they read. Go back and read Buzz's reasoning and you will see how he justifies Members for Change indirectly causing all that you mention. If true or not I don't know but I can believe it very easily. And again let me remind you NOBODY FORCED ANY OF US TO SIGN THE LAST CONTRACT. I don't recall hearing you (whoever you are) at the yard telling Members to not sign it. And I definitely know you were not on this site saying don't sign it. And again let me remind you I think at our yard alone (SI) the vote was approximately 400 to 20 in favor of the contract. Obviously, Cordiello is in part to blame but many of us are not that much better.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on December 31, 2015, 01:20:46 AM
Go back and read Buzz's reasoning and you will see how he justifies Members for Change indirectly causing all that you mention. If true or not I don't know but I can believe it very easily.

Believe me, if the old regime were still in control (and we had the muscle behind us that we used to), NONE of the shit that's been happening in the last few years would be going on ... including what Bloomberg did to us. Instead, Members for Change, et al, put the best president we ever had behind bars. People can argue all day as to whether it was justified, but as another poster said, we always got OURS. No fault of Michael's that he doesn't have the same "backing."

Buzz
I agree with you 100% about the old regime. When I said I don't know if it was true or not I was referring to if Members for Change were in plain english Rats.

YOU ALL talk out of your asses!!!!!!!!!!

So it's not true? Tell me John, I think you would have a better idea than most.

Easy there John give us your insight,, not a derogatory remark, we always sit and talk John I respect you ,u have another take on my comment,remember though that it's just my thoughts on the matter,but I'll say it once more ,with the other guys heading  up the union this nonsense would not be happening

John
Let me get into a little more detail because as I'm sure you know if there's anyone's opinion I value it's yours. You're last post "YOU ALL talk out of your asses!!!!!!!!!!" I would assume that includes my posts? Yes or No? Is yes, please clarify why. First let me summarize what I have said over the last few days.
1. I believe in the idea of a Union and being respectful to all no matter what their opinion.
2. I believe that once someone is elected to Office whether or not that was the candidate I wanted, once the majority has spoken I have to rally behind that person. That's not saying I have to agree with everything he/she says or does.
3. The majority of us at Pioneer on SI voted for Michael twice. The 2nd time definitely being the reason he is in Office today.
4. As far as the separating of each property into different contracts which I don't agree with at the time I really didn't hear much resistance from anyone at Pioneer.
5. With regards to the state of our Local and specifically our current contract at Pioneer obviously Michael being the President has to take some of the blame but we the Members have to carry some of the blame also because we (the overwhelming majority) voted Yes when offered that contract.
6. Not many Members at Pioneer speak up until after the fact if they speak up at all.
7. Obviously for whatever the reason and no matter what was going on rank & file Members were doing much better under the old regime.
8. I said I didn't know if it was true or not if Members for Change were responsible for that regime getting kicked out of Office and ASKED if it was true.

That basically not only sums up my recent posts on this site but basically my views as a Member of this Local. So I'll ask again ... What part, if any of the above is talking out of my ass?

Proud Member, you cannot blame someone on one hand then defend them on the other. Yes Cordiello and crew were voted in twice ,the union was in the midst of chaos, promises were made and the platforms and opinions of the other candidates were shouted down on this site by Buzz and others. When the other candidates came to the yard they were chased away. I really have no clue what or how they were different because of the above practices. All I know is what we heard at pioneer and how Cordiello was the second coming. I have to say I DID AND DIDN'T vote for the slate. I abstained but then found out that all non votes were counted for the incumbent. But just because he was elected no way means I have to rally behind them. I HAVE LOST TO MUCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, and giving them a blank check because of 'union brotherhood" is absurd.

You stated that many members don't speak up till after the fact, well DAH. HOW DO YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT A PROBLEM BEFORE IT HAPPENS?

You also stated that Michael his 'partly" at fault for the contract but we are to blame as well for voting for it.BULLSHIT they are 100% at fault. They SOLD IT TO US! And as good UNION members we gave them RESPECT and RALLIED behind them until the truth came out and the provisions of the contract were reneged by Neil. Oh well I guess we should just be lucky we have jobs ...right?
I guess the union had other things on their minds like buying new buildings in LI or hiring relatives for 100k plus or paying secretaries 75k plus for answering the phones.

This job from what I hear yous to be great, how long before we are making the same salary as the fry cook at McDonalds?

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on December 31, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
8. I said I didn't know if it was true or not if Members for Change were responsible for that regime getting kicked out of Office and ASKED if it was true.

I know I already replied to this in another post but I left out Tommy Nero, who did not belong to MFC, but had his own agenda, (namely, getting elected president) and even secretly recorded conversations to bring to authorities. So I can't give all the "credit" to MFC for destroying this local, both dissident factions were equally responsible. And when it comes to talking out of asses, THEY WROTE THE BOOK!

WakeUp123
Your last post you start off great and then you just go into your rage and putting things in people's mouths that they didn't say.
1. Where in my last 20 posts have I defended Michael? Just because I say the blame has to be shared doesn't mean I'm defending anyone. It means just what I'm saying the blame has to be shared.
2. When the other candidates came to our yard I stood outside the gate and talked to them and asked them questions just like everyone else had the opportunity to do but basically nobody did.
3. I personally voted NO on the contract among other things.
4. My opinion and here's an example and maybe a bad one. What happens when troops don't like a General but leads them into harms way? Do the troops say "F" him? My point is United We Stand Divided We Fall. Don't read to much into this but I'm sure you get the point.
5. Your statement "DAH, HOW DO YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT A PROBLEM BEFORE IT HAPPENES?" You've been around here long enough to see every problem before it comes. Example: Everyone knew this current contract sucks and that we would NEVER get it all back if anything at all yet we signed it. BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING. Another example and obviously you yourself saw it before it happened was voting Michael in for a 2nd term. As you stated you didn't but the slim majority did.So "DAH" to you.
6. I NEVER said I am grateful to just have a job and I NEVER said my job is great. I SAID we ALL are going through the same as you.
7. Thanks for your response but I was asking John for his!

I have to take care of some personal stuff this AM but I WILL give a detailed response later this afternoon. I RESPECT ALL opinions although I don't agree with most as you can see. Keep up the good debates!!!

Well a few people asked for a response from me so here goes: Buzz you have stated that the REASON that we are in the state of FUCKNESS is BECAUSE of members for change and Tommy Nero? Wow what an observation!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about some PROOF? facts to back up this statement? While I give you time to go to your crystal ball... ponder this.........Michael Cordiello I believe has been in power since 2006. How has he advanced the agenda of 1181 to benefit the membership? OH I KNOW Put us out on strike for 5 weeks in 2013, Then when we returned we took a pay cut! Took us quite a while to get our $$$ back. Then we listened to our union who in turn told us that if we didn't take a pay cut we would possibly lose our jobs because Neil COULD NOT compete with non union bids. So basically we took it on the chin listening to our union. But, alas Neil got a 3 year extension, but we kept our pay cut. When I ran for office in 2009 I was pushing as part of a fiscal package a plan for 1181 to pay 1.5% into our medical, the REASON being that from all reports from the medical industry, premiums in the state of NY were going to rise 33-50% in the coming years! I was told I was nuts because we did not pay any out of pocket expense at that time. Currently we now have out of pocket of $24 weekly. If we had contributed 1.5% we would now be ONLY paying approx. $17 weekly and would only increase by the same margins as our pay raises!!!!!! Who is the fool now? But to me the BIGGEST reason Neil has given us crumbs in contract negotiations, he knows that "THE OFFICE" constantly covers his ass by picking up work when there are breakdowns and drivers call in sick to save him HUGE amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$      ANY DRVER and I will say this again ANY DRIVER ........who covers work to help out the company is a SCUMBAG....................... A BIG SCUMBAG, They are HURTING the Union instead of helping the union and they have the blessing of our union!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Prove me wrong on this and I will have a bridge to sell you! BUZZ you are a puppet for Ernie and 1181..............That is my observation......Happy New Year!

I can only answer your question with a question: Who was it that went crying to the FBI, IRS, Labor Board, courts, The Chief Leader and any one else who would listen about how "corrupt" our union was, how it needed to be investigated and cleaned up? Who made all those calls, wrote those letters and/or made those appearances and didn't stop until they successfully brought about the downfall and complete emasculation our local?

There you go........................answering a question with a question.You sound like a lawyer/politician. You CAN"T handle the facts and you are like an ostrich. How many times can the union piss on your feet and then they tell you it's RAINING? So I guess you don't want to let the folks at Pioneer know that all 1181 officials have been subpoenaed to testify in Federal Court in January RE: Election Fraud, so I guess that is Members for Change and Tommy Nero's fault.
Listen, most people, and I know you will agree on this, believe in transparency. If 1181 would give us some info on what the negotiations entail, there would be a LOT LESS BS and RUMORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: John Eadicicco on December 31, 2015, 11:49:04 PM
... So I guess you don't want to let the folks at Pioneer know that all 1181 officials have been subpoenaed to testify in Federal Court in January RE: Election Fraud, so I guess that is Members for Change ... fault.

Well, I mean after all ... who brought the bogus suit against them?

Buzz it was an investigation by the NLRB that led to the court case.

John, you are the man! However you can argue with Buzz till your blue in the face. Buzz will aggressively defend the "Cordiello Crew" like a Clinton "spin" doctor. If I didn't know any better I would swear he was getting paid for it.

Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 01, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Buzz it was an investigation by the NLRB that led to the court case.

I know ... but who went running to the NLRB?

Buzz if you ran for an elected office and lost by a slim margin, and 649 ballots were not counted, you would just let things be?

Perhaps so, John, but another regular election will happen before this court case is over.

What makes you certain of this?

Buzz, why wouldn't any member welcome an investigation by the NLRB , THE JUSTICE DEPT, ETC ? If everything is on the up and up what's the problem?  If as you constantly point out about anybody who God forbid questions anything the union does is just haters, sore losers, rumor mongers and trolls. This sounds like a great opportunity to put all the 'smoke and mirror" complaints a large group of members in this local have to rest. What's wrong with that?

WAKEUP123.............Buzz has to run it by Ernie before he can respond!

I think they all are full of shit and just all bullshit comes out of there mouth ,it's very sad this was the best  Company at one time .all they are doing is  taken from us and nothing in return .Neil have a great new year keep screwing us like you are doing your  companies going down and down day by day .its so sad guess you like it this way .and as for the union we don't here shit it's a shame.well Happy New Year everyone .

When you do business that effects the life and livelihoods , the health and welfare, the hopes snd dreams
of so many people and their young children , honest representation combined with a high level of human decency dictates that there must be a realistic avenue of periodic communication to the members you are responsible for , the members that , if not for the money that comes out of their weekly pay checks , pay you to be their voice, pay you to be their advocate , pay you to be the guardian of their civil rights, pay you to think about each and every day " what can I do today to make my working family have a better tomorrow " this is what should go through the mind of a honest sincere loyal leader of any union , but the word " TRANSPARENCY " in governing OUR union does not exist now , let's forget for a moment that the Cordiello controlled seniority list has disappeared form the unions website for the last 3 1/2 months, WHATS GOING ON. WITH OUR CONTRACTS, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR EPP, WHY HAS THE MAYOR THAT OUR UNION HAD US VOTE FOR ABANDONED US , WHATS GOING ON WITH OUR BILL IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY, WHY ARE THEIR SO MANY NEW HIRES IN OUR UNION WHEN THE SENIORITY LIST OF UNEMPLOYED MEMBERS STILL EXISTS , WHY DO MEMBERS SPEND 13 TO 15 HOURS A DAY ON THE JOB WITHOUT GETTING A DIME OF OVERTIME COMPENSATION , WHY DID CORDIELLO DO THE CONTRACTORS BIDDING AND DIVIDE OUR UNION AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND WEAKEN THE MEMBERSHIP WITH SEPERATE CONTRACTS , AND WHY WERE SO MANY MEMBERS TRICKED INTO TAKING JOBS IN OTHER UNIONS , MANY QUESTIONS THAT WILL NEVER BE ADDRESSED TRUTHFULLY , THIS COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON , AND YES THE INVISIBLE UNION CONTROLED SENIORITY LIST OF LAID OFF WORKERS, WHERE HAS IT GONE, "WE NEED TRANSPARENCY " WE NEED TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED TRANSPARENCY IN A UNION THAT HAS A HISTORY OF PRO CONTRACTOR CORRUPT POLICIES, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO EXIST IN THE DARK , DID YOU HEAR THAT CORDIELLO , WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO EXIST IN THE DARK BECAUSE ,MY FRIENDS , THE ONLY THING THAT FLOURISHES IN THE DARK ARE MUSHROOMS AND " CORRUPTION " UNION CORRUPTION THAT HAS FOLLOWED OUR LOCAL 1181 LIKE A DOG CHASING A BONE FOR FAR TOO LONG , A FEDERAL JUDGE ISSUED A BUNCH OF SUBPOENAS ON SATURDAY IN REGARDS TO THE GOVERNMENTS TWO CHARGES OF ELECTION FRAUD AGAINST OUR UNION AND IN THE SUBPOENAS WERE A LIST OF 1141 NAMES OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS , ALL MEMBERS IN GOOD STANDING WHO WERE CHEATED OUT OF THE RIGHT TO CAST THEIR VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION , COMBINING THAT WITH THE 612 BALLOTS THE UNION REFUSED TO OPEN AT THE LAST ELECTION THAT TO THIS DAY ARE STILL SEALED IN A BOX AT THE AMERICAN ARBITRATION ASSOCIATION , COMBINED THAT WILL GIVE YOU A MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS WHO THE UNION DISENFRANCHISED AT 1753 THAT WE KNOW ABOUT, TOMMY SALERNO LOST BY 144 VOTES, MY FRIENDS , HE DID NOT LOSE , MR. THOMAS SALERNO WON THE ELECTION THAT DAY AND SHOULD BE THE PRESIDENT OF OUR UNION TODAY , HE AND ALL OF US ON HIS SLATE WERE CHEATED, ALL OF OUR 13000 MEMBERS WERE CHEATED OUT OF THE CHANCE OF HAVING FAIR AND HONEST LEGALLY ELECTED LOYAL REPRESENTATION , MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS I DONT KNOW HOW THIS ALL WILL TURN OUT , TRUTH AND HONESTY ARE ON OUR SIDE , BUT SOMETIMES THAT IS NOT ENOUGH, BUT I WILL TELL THE ONE THING THAT IS TRUE , ONE FACT THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK , THAT A SALERNO LED UNION WOULD BE OPEN HONEST AND TRANSPARENT TO ALL ITS MEMBERS THE VERY FIRST DAY AND EVERY DAY BECAUSE THATS THE LEAST YOU DESERVE , FRATERNALLY YOURS, JOHN ISRAEL , PROUD MEMBER OF THE SALERNO MEMBERS FOR CHANGE SLATE, " ONE UNION ONE CONTRACT " MEMBERS FIRST CONTRACTORS LAST " UNION STRONG ALL DAY LONG !!!!!

So an 83 year old union organizer, and a couple of bus drivers took down the pillars of organized crime in the New York school bus industry you say, a little research says different, although this type of conversation might get your attention in the drivers room and mislead a few people into casting a vote or two against their better interest , in reality the level of crime and corruption in the industry that we all earn a paycheck from goes way , way back, back before some of our union brothers even came to this country, and I think it is safe to say that investigations into organized labor come from the , over the top, level of greed , corruption , purchase of influence and testimony to avoid prosecution that follows this sort of blight against good , honest , hard working every day people like you and me, Check the link I will provide for a sorted description of greed in our transportation business that goes way, way, back. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/boys-on-da-bus-6424385

First of all that article does not even state that there were any monies misappropriated from OUR Union.You may as well post something from our  forefathers that owned slaves! Your grasping shit that happened way way way back then.When all unions had some kind of shit going on!

And why is it that you can come here and stir up bullish reports but none of the self respecting people on this site can go to the salerno's site and speak truth??

Get the Fuk off here and find that hole you crawled out from. AND anyone who agrees with you and you all know who you are can go with you.As you still reap the rewards that the union benefits that the so called bad union gives you!

I think they all are full of shit and just all bullshit comes out of there mouth ,it's very sad this was the best  Company at one time .all they are doing is  taken from us and nothing in return .Neil have a great new year keep screwing us like you are doing your  companies going down and down day by day .its so sad guess you like it this way .and as for the union we don't here shit it's a shame.well Happy New Year everyone .

Another sad link , sorry no Eddy K , or Members for Change, just plain old crooks.but hay, around the drivers room the stories that deflect where the real blame, where the real corruption and contractor influence came from, we'll lets just say it's better to point the finger away from the pockets you might be sitting in . http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/23/nyregion/officials-say-school-bus-system-has-ties-to-mob.html

AND once again mr.bullshit

You are NOT proving there has been any misappropriation of monies from our union.
Show me where there were any funds coming out of OUR  union.

If not then it appears to me you need to stop stirring shit and sorry I am a hard working member of this union and I appreciate everything my union gives me I do not sit in ANYONES pocket. Unlike you who believes  the salernos are god.
Be careful who you cheer for.They will write letters to the FBI against you too.

Just entered our 7th month without a contract.  Doesn't feel like we're moving forward.

Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 01, 2016, 03:16:44 AM
What makes you certain of this?

Can't say I'm "certain" but it has taken half a term for the case to even get this far.

Quote from: 24yrs1181 on January 01, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
Another sad link , sorry no Eddy K , or Members for Change, just plain old crooks.but hay, around the drivers room the stories that deflect where the real blame, where the real corruption and contractor influence came from, we'll lets just say it's better to point the finger away from the pockets you might be sitting in . http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/23/nyregion/officials-say-school-bus-system-has-ties-to-mob.html

The headline (from 1995, no less) is "Officials Say School Bus System Has Ties to Mob" ... WHOOP DE DOOO! Big revelation! Where the fu*k do you think we got our strength from? Why do you think nobody bothered us?  WHY DO YOU THINK YOU HAD IT SO GO FOR SO LONG but were too naive to know it? It's the charges of "corruption" by you and others like you that brought this union down. I don't care what anybody was doing, they weren't robbing from us .... PROVEN! ... and we always got ours.

Just answer this: Do you think we're better off now than when we had "ties to the mob?" Are we better off now than when dissidents like you started blowing the whistle? That's what created this mess ... and you're still beating the drum!

Quote from: 24yrs1181 on January 01, 2016, 11:53:38 PM
Этот парень «только право», я думаю, что он находится на лекарства, он отвечает на мои сообщения полностью из темы, которые мы говорим о. Это было для вас «grrr».

I'm not sure, but I don't think I agree with that either.

Buzz, must of got the fax late today. He just started 'ROBO" posting. I'm pretty sure the holiday slowed things down a bit. Besides careful consultation was needed to counter all the posts today and Buzz doesn't have the authority to act alone.

This thread started with some kind of fairy tale on the misfortunes of the state of affairs of our local, this girl was making her statement in a comical way, but the current state of financial affairs of this union is far from being funny, she should be upset, we all should be very upset, BUT OUR UNION  IS WHERE IT IS TODAY BECAUSE OF ITS " CURRENT LEADERSHIP " AND PEOPLE WENT TO JAIL BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT UP IN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS  THAT STARTED LONG BEFORE ANYONE EVER HEARD OF EDDY K, LONG BEFORE PEOPLE FROM MEMBERS OF CHANGE EVER CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AND THAT IS WHY I POSTED THOSE OLD ARTICLES , WHEN YOU DONT HAVE ANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO BOAST ABOUT, AND CORDIELLO HAS NONE , YOU HAVE YOUR MINIONS PUT OUT BULLSHIT, LOOKS TO ME YOUR PUTTING OUT BULLSHIT BECAUSE A SERIOUSLY BAD CONTRACT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND SO THE DEFLECTION AND FINGER POINTING  AND MISINFORMATION NEEDS TO START NOW SO YOU WILL HAVE A QUICK SCAPEGOAT TOWARDS ANYONE OTHER THAN YOUR BOY IN OFFICE, " THE CONTRACTORS BEST FRIEND " THE DIVIDER OF CONTRACTS" THE ONLY PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR UNION THAT HAS GIVEN THE MEMBERS NOTHING , NOTHING EXCEPT MISERY AND FINANCIAL UNCERTAINTY , MICHAEL CORDIELLO ,,,,, AND AFTER HE GAVE THESE BASTARDS EVERYTHING THEY WANTED FOR SO LONG , THEY KNOW WHAT HE SMELLS FROM , THEY AINT GIVING NOTHING BACK TO THE OLD LEADERSHIP , MAYBE TO A NEW LEADER.

Hmmmmm

seems all 65 posts made recently by wakeup123 are all against the union and a few even saying shit about Buzz calling him a puppet..and needing Ernie's permission to post...

So if you and the other few on here don't like the union .....uhm..here's a thought LEAVE!!!! And being that you are so unhappy you won't have to be sooooo upset to come on a this site and spew shit.

I'll ask again 24yrs: Do you think we're better off now than when we had "ties to the mob?" Are we better off now than when dissidents like you started blowing the whistle?

You won't answer, because the only answer you could give is "no" ... and that doesn't suit your agenda.

It's a good thing to see Members on this site debating and their blood circulating. I just hope that in the near and far future it stays that way. Especially when the time comes to vote on contracts or Delegates. And I'm not just talking about voicing your opinion on this site. Although this site is a good thing and I'm not trying to downplay it, it is limited. Members have to speak up at Union Meeting and on their respective properties and that's not just speaking to your Reps. More importantly it's speaking amongst ourselves. I myself think it's pretty obvious what Members should or should not settle on in these current contract talks as well as the next contracts another 2 1/2 years from now. Also I think it's pretty obvious in the next elections what we have to do. The main thing is we ALL have to get our thoughts out and at the same time listen & discuss with others instead of just going with what you assume is the general consensus. That's one of the main reasons we are where we are today.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 02, 2016, 04:34:38 AM
Also I think it's pretty obvious in the next elections what we have to do.

Yep, pretty obvious to me, anyway ... and that's not putting in office the people who claimed they were going to "fix" this union and instead are responsible for its downfall. Now they want to "fix" it again? No thanks.

Buzz , without being disrespectful , I think you are watching a little too much late night TV, so in your minds eye the many benefits our membership  earned overt he last  35 years through hard work , professionalism , STRONG UNION LEADERSHIP DEDICATED TO THE MEMBERS , and a well planned , thought out strike, all that we suffered to earn we're in essence not earned at all , everything we had were all due to the Board of Ed, the Mayors office,the Governors office,the District Attorneys office,  the OPT, all the cities vendors, the Arch Diocese , down to the crossing guards,,, All these people allowed our union to flourish financially for 35 years were all due to the fear that if they did not do what the Godfather told them they would wake up in the morning with a horses head in their bed  , WOW we worked so hard all those years for nothing , all we had to do was to line up the whole city to bow down and just kiss a ring, ,,,, that's amazing the way you see this ,,,,,in my opinion our local flourished for 35 years because of hard work, the most professional school bus drivers and matrons and mechanics in the country, and leadership that put the members before the contractors and never sold us down the river like what we have today. JOHN AND SAL WERE REAL LEADERS , AND NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT THEY ARE NOT MISSED , CORDIELLO COULD NOT SHINE THEIR SHOES.

Quote from: 24yrs1181 on January 02, 2016, 06:06:07 AM
Buzz , without being disrespectful , I think you are watching a little too much late night TV, so in your minds eye the many benefits our membership  earned overt he last  35 years through hard work , professionalism , STRONG UNION LEADERSHIP DEDICATED TO THE MEMBERS , and a well planned , thought out strike, all that we suffered to earn we're in essence not earned at all , everything we had were all due to the Board of Ed, the Mayors office,the Governors office,the District Attorneys office,  the OPT, all the cities vendors, the Arch Diocese , down to the crossing guards,,, All these people allowed our union to flourish financially for 35 years were all due to the fear that if they did not do what the Godfather told them they would wake up in the morning with a horses head in their bed  , WOW we worked so hard all those years for nothing , all we had to do was to line up the whole city to bow down and just kiss a ring, ,,,,

You left out Rudy Giuliani. He wanted to bust us every bit as much as Bloomberg. Why did he back down in the mid 90s? Because he was a nice guy and liked us? He just had a sudden change of heart? An epiphany? Your exaggeration is amusing, but it shows you severely underestimate the influence that the right "backing" can wield with the city and contractors as well. Unfortunately, Michael has to go by the book. He can't go running to some "Johnny Bag O' Donuts" to pull some strings or exert some persuasion. But he is every bit as "dedicated to the members" as his predecessor.

Quote from: 24yrs1181 on January 02, 2016, 06:06:07 AM
JOHN AND SAL WERE REAL LEADERS , AND NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT THEY ARE NOT MISSED , CORDIELLO COULD NOT SHINE THEIR SHOES.

You got that right, especially with Sal. Regrettable that some asshole dissidents (malcontents) worked so hard to bring him down and were finally successful ... isn't it? You and they got what you wished for. Too bad you and they didn't appreciate what we had, when we had it.  Now you want to blame Michael instead of yourselves. You all got what you deserve. Unfortunately the rest of us have to suffer with you.

Quote from: Just_Right on January 02, 2016, 01:41:59 AM
Hmmmmm

seems all 65 posts made recently by wakeup123 are all against the union and a few even saying shit about Buzz calling him a puppet..and needing Ernie's permission to post...

Thank you, Just_Right. When I do ask Ernie about something I will intentionally mention in a post that I spoke to him about whatever. Otherwise, as is the case with every post in this thread, it's just me, just my opinion. I'm used to people making ad hominem attacks when they can't get their points across on their own merit ... or lack thereof.

Quote from: Just_Right on January 02, 2016, 01:41:59 AM
Hmmmmm

seems all 65 posts made recently by wakeup123 are all against the union and a few even saying shit about Buzz calling him a puppet..and needing Ernie's permission to post...

So if you and the other few on here don't like the union .....uhm..here's a thought LEAVE!!!! And being that you are so unhappy you won't have to be sooooo upset to come on a this site and spew shit.

Ok ,for now on a new rule certain people have stated that I should leave for "BASHING" the union and "SAYING SHIT" about BUZZ so for now on NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FOLLOWING ISSUES:

1. THE SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS OF THE UNION,

2. BREECH OF THE PRIOR CONTRACT

3. THE EPP

4. THE DRACONIAN MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OF OWEN AND THE OFFICE.

5. SCUMBAG DRIVERS WHO REPEATEDLY COVER RUNS VIS CELLPHONE AGAINST ERNIE'S ORDERS, RIGHT BUZZ.

6. THE ELECTION INVESTIGATION

7. THE DISASTEROUS STRIKE

8. THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY EMPLOYED BY THE UNION FOR 100 K PLUS A YEAR

9. THE LACK OF ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANYTHING FROM OUR UNION

10. BUZZ'S LOVE AFFIAR WITH THE "MAFIA" CONTROL OF THE UNION IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS, AS HE SAYS


SO FOR NOW ON NO MORE POSTS FOR NOW ON, LETS JUST KEEP READING BUZZ, POST TOPIC AFTER TOPIC AND REPLY TO THEM HIMSELF.

CERTAIN POSTERS ON THIS SITE HAVE STATED "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE" I SAY MAKE ME!

As I said earlier it's good to get the Members blood circulating but I personally think it's going a little to far. The language & content in recent posts are like "Hey I'll meet you outside the gate and settle this like men." Enough with the who said this, who ratted out who, what the guys from 10 or 20 years ago did, what Giuliani, Bloomberg, deBlasio did or even what Michael has done or not done in the last 6 years. The thing that each and everyone of us at each property and as a Local collectively should be discussing is what we are going to do today, tomorrow and in the future to band together in order to help ourselves and our families. We all know about the good & bad of yesterday, we lived it. We should be talking about what we can do TOGETHER for the good of tomorrow!

That sounds fantastic, but How can we band together for a good tomorrow when NOTHING HAS CHANGED?

1. WE ARE STILL IN THE DARK ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND THE EPP

2. WE ARE STILL NEGOTIATING AS SEPERATE COMPANIES EFFECTIVELY CAUSIN A "DISPARITY" BEWEEN ALL 1181 UNION MEMBERS

3. WE ALLOWED AND FORGAVE  THE MECHANICS FOR ABANDONING US ON THE LINE TO RUN BACK TO NEIL WHO REWARDED THEM WITH BONUSES. WTF

4. WE STAND BY WHILE THE OFFICE (OWEN) FINES, FIRES AND INTIMIDATES DRIVERS CREATING A FEAR AND HOSTILE WORK ENVIROMENT WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS.

5. AGAIN DRIVERS WHO PREACH UNION BROTHERHOOD AND ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL THEN SECRETLY COVER RUNS FOR  THE OFFICE WHILE "SHAPE" DRIVERS ARE SENT HOME ALL SO THEY CAN MAKE 25 DOLLARS EXTRA.

THESE ACTIONS AND ATTITUDES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND CORECTED BEFORE ANY UNITY CAN BE ACHIEVED

Wake up 123.... Trying to win over Buzz and Just Right is like a black man going on the KKK website and tring to convince them that Black is Beautiful!!!!!!😀

I meant to say Al Sharpton!!!!

It's quite apparent (to me at least)that you WakeUp123 do not want to band together. It appears to me that you just want to continue to complain and hear yourself on this site. I hope I'm wrong and here's an easy way for you to prove me wrong. Starting Monday when we return to work in the morning go into the Driver's room a little early and in the afternoon stay there a little late and start up a conversation with any and all drivers & matrons about all matters. As well as the 1 or 2 days a week when you're not doing trips go back to the yard and state what's on your mind to Ernie and to the guys at the card table. No better place to get your views out than at the card table. If you truly want things to get better than give it a shot.

My last post basically said  forget yesterday and lets band together and be positive for the tomorrow. You instantly come back and say sounds fantastic BUT and then go on to list 5 things about YESTERDAY.

1. As far as the contract just go ask Ernie. I have and he and no Union Rep are going to promise you anything exactly until it's put before us but you will definitely get a better idea of what's going on. With regards to the EPP. What more do you want to know at this time? It's a the State level and we have to wait until they vote on it. Hopefully when they do its a yes if it's not then we go from there.
2. Obviously we are still negotiating separate contracts and that's going to remain that way for the foreseeable future. At this time there is NOTHING any of us can do about it.
3. Forgave Mechanics - That's YESTERDAY - What do you want to do? Say hey Mechanics we don't forgive you anymore.
4. Bottom line - Come to work prepared and do your job and Owen can't do a thing.
5. Nobody is secretly covering work. If they were it would be a secret but obviously it's not. Furthermore I personally asked Ernie the last day before vacation about covering extra work. His response was that he recommends not doing anything extra for the company but at the same time he also said that he doesn't know the financial state of me or any other Member.

I think this site is good for all to have an opinion, However when you attack the site owner than you become a BASHER..There is nothing wrong with everyone having differences of opinions about the union. Buzz has always stated in the past he does speak with Ernie on matters. And so do a lot of other people. And yep I know there are some who rip Ernie and Andy apart BEHIND their backs. But hey that's human nature.
        John Isreal comes on this site to spew shit from years ago that he reaped the benefits from and now he has an agenda..he is running for a seat on the EB.And yes I am one of the posters that told John Isreal if he doesn't like it then leave.BUT I have never told Wakeup123 if he didn't like it to leave. HOWEVER I am now..and NO I won't entertain you or your silly insults on here. If you wish to discuss this further no problem we see each other in the drivers room. I know who you are.
       As far as you Eadicicco you stated to me to keep your name out of my mouth, and it was duly noted. BUT it seems to me you don't practice what you preach. You have no trouble attacking me. So listen up buttercup .
LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF YOUR SILLY POSTS.

       And again.. if the union is good for you when you want ...then perhaps you should stand by it and for it.
            (Now this is a statement in general. Note that I did NOT attack anyone)

"state what's on your mind to Ernie and to the guys at the card table. No better place to get your views out than at the card table. If you truly want things to get better than give it a shot." Proud Member 1/2/2015

The "card table".........My god this place is doomed.

Just right .......man up tell me who you are and then we can discuss things in any manner you would like? OK buttercup?

Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 02, 2016, 06:03:04 PM
Wake up 123.... Trying to win over Buzz and Just Right is like a black man going on the KKK website and tring to convince them that Black is Beautiful!!!!!!😀

And trying to sway you is like trying to persuade Rush Limbaugh to vote for Hillary!!

Instead of all this back & forth negativity what can we do right now to direct all this energy to help this Local and ourselves?

 



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Relates to contracts for the transportation of school children.
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                STATE OF NEW YORK
        ________________________________________________________________________

                                          5984

                               2015-2016 Regular Sessions

                    IN SENATE

                                      June 16, 2015
                                       ___________

        Introduced  by  Sen.  GOLDEN -- read twice and ordered printed, and when
          printed to be committed to the Committee on Rules

        AN ACT to amend the education law, in  relation  to  contracts  for  the
          transportation of school children

          The  People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assem-
        bly, do enact as follows:

     1    Section 1. Statement of legislative findings and necessity. The legis-
     2  lature hereby finds that for three decades beginning in 1979,  following
     3  a strike by school bus workers, the school bus contracts of the board of
     4  education   of  the  city  of  New  York  included  employee  protection
     5  provisions requiring transportation contractors, among other things,  to
     6  give  priority  in  hiring to employees who became unemployed because of
     7  their employers' loss of bus contract work for such  board  and  to  pay
     8  such  employees  the  same wages and benefits they had received prior to
     9  becoming unemployed.
    10    Following the 2011 decision by the New York State Court of Appeals  in
    11  L&M  Bus Corp., et al., v. the New York City Department of Education, et
    12  al., the board of education of the city of New York did not include  the
    13  employee  protection provisions that had been part of the board's school
    14  bus contracts for over 30 years or any similar provisions in its  solic-
    15  itations  for its school bus contracts.  After the issuance of the first
    16  such Post-L&M solicitation; there was a school bus strike in January and
    17  February of 2013. During this strike, many children were  either  unable
    18  to attend school or were burdened, along with their families, with find-
    19  ing alternative modes of transportation in the heart of winter.
    20    The  legislature further finds that the board of education of the city
    21  of New York contracts with 62 companies  to  provide  vital  school  bus
    22  transportation to 149,000 school-age children. Pursuant to the education
    23  law, the state reimburses the board of education of the city of New York
    24  for a substantial percentage of its school bus contract expenditures.

         EXPLANATION--Matter in italics (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
                              [ ] is old law to be omitted.
                                                                   LBD10792-01-5
        S. 5984                             2

     1    Accordingly,  the  legislature  finds that the education law should be
     2  amended to require the board of education of the city  of  New  York  to
     3  include  important  employee  protections in its procurements for school
     4  bus transportation contracts and to authorize the board of education  to
     5  amend  existing  contracts to include these protections. Including these
     6  protections in such board's  contracts  will  aid  in  avoiding  service
     7  disruptions  and  pension  withdrawal liability claims, while protecting
     8  the experienced school bus contract workforce from significant wage  and
     9  benefit  reductions  and  facilitating  the  retention of an experienced
    10  workforce. Inclusion of such protections will  secure  more  cost-effec-
    11  tive, higher quality and efficient procurement and performance of school
    12  bus transportation services.
    13    §  2.  Paragraph  a  of subdivision 14 of section 305 of the education
    14  law, as amended by chapter 273 of the laws of 1999, is amended  to  read
    15  as follows:
    16    a.  (1)  All  contracts for the transportation of school children, all
    17  contracts to maintain school buses owned or leased by a school  district
    18  that  are  used for the transportation of school children, all contracts
    19  for mobile instructional units, and all contracts to  provide,  maintain
    20  and  operate  cafeteria  or restaurant service by a private food service
    21  management company shall be subject to the approval of the commissioner,
    22  who may disapprove a proposed contract if,  in  his  opinion,  the  best
    23  interests  of  the district will be promoted thereby. Except as provided
    24  in paragraph e of this subdivision,  all  such  contracts  involving  an
    25  annual  expenditure  in  excess  of  the  amount  specified for purchase
    26  contracts in the bidding requirements of the general municipal law shall
    27  be awarded to the lowest responsible bidder, which responsibility  shall
    28  be  determined  by  the board of education or the trustee of a district,
    29  with power hereby vested in the commissioner to reject any or  all  bids
    30  if,  in his opinion, the best interests of the district will be promoted
    31  thereby and, upon such rejection of all  bids,  the  commissioner  shall
    32  order  the board of education or trustee of the district to seek, obtain
    33  and consider new proposals. All proposals for such transportation, main-
    34  tenance, mobile instructional units, or cafeteria and restaurant service
    35  shall be in such form as the commissioner may prescribe.   Advertisement
    36  for  bids  shall be published in a newspaper or newspapers designated by
    37  the board of education or trustee of the district having general  circu-
    38  lation  within  the  district for such purpose. Such advertisement shall
    39  contain a statement of the time when and place where all  bids  received
    40  pursuant  to  such advertisement will be publicly opened and read either
    41  by the school authorities or by a person or persons designated by  them.
    42  All  bids  received  shall  be  publicly opened and read at the time and
    43  place so specified. At least five days shall elapse  between  the  first
    44  publication  of  such  advertisement  and  the date so specified for the
    45  opening and reading of bids. The  requirement  for  competitive  bidding
    46  shall  not  apply  to  an  award of a contract for the transportation of
    47  pupils or a contract for mobile instructional units, if  such  award  is
    48  based  on  an  evaluation  of  proposals  in  response  to a request for
    49  proposals pursuant to paragraph e of this subdivision.  The  requirement
    50  for competitive bidding shall not apply to annual, biennial, or trienni-
    51  al  extensions  of  a contract nor shall the requirement for competitive
    52  bidding apply to  quadrennial  or  quinquennial  year  extensions  of  a
    53  contract involving transportation of pupils, maintenance of school buses
    54  or mobile instructional units secured either through competitive bidding
    55  or  through  evaluation  of  proposals  in  response  to  a  request for
    56  proposals pursuant to paragraph e of this subdivision, when such  exten-
        S. 5984                             3

     1  sions  [(1)]  (i) are made by the board of education or the trustee of a
     2  district, under rules and regulations prescribed  by  the  commissioner,
     3  and,  [(2)]  (ii) do not extend the original contract period beyond five
     4  years  from  the  date cafeteria and restaurant service commenced there-
     5  under and in the case of contracts for the transportation of pupils, for
     6  the maintenance of school buses or for mobile instructional units,  that
     7  such  contracts  may  be extended, except that power is hereby vested in
     8  the commissioner, in addition to his  existing  statutory  authority  to
     9  approve or disapprove transportation or maintenance contracts, [(i)] (A)
    10  to reject any extension of a contract beyond the initial term thereof if
    11  he finds that amount to be paid by the district to the contractor in any
    12  year  of  such  proposed  extension fails to reflect any decrease in the
    13  regional consumer price index  for  the  N.Y.,  N.Y.-Northeastern,  N.J.
    14  area,  based  upon  the index for all urban consumers (CPI-U) during the
    15  preceding twelve month period; and [(ii)] (B) to reject any extension of
    16  a contract after ten years from the date transportation  or  maintenance
    17  service  commenced  thereunder, or mobile instructional units were first
    18  provided, if in his opinion, the best interests of the district will  be
    19  promoted  thereby.  Upon  such  rejection of any proposed extension, the
    20  commissioner may order the board of education or trustee of the district
    21  to seek, obtain and consider bids pursuant to  the  provisions  of  this
    22  section.  The  board  of  education  or the trustee of a school district
    23  electing  to  extend  a  contract  as  provided  herein,  may,  in   its
    24  discretion,  increase the amount to be paid in each year of the contract
    25  extension by an amount not to exceed the regional consumer  price  index
    26  increase  for  the  N.Y.,  N.Y.-Northeastern,  N.J. area, based upon the
    27  index for all urban consumers (CPI-U), during the preceding twelve month
    28  period, provided it has been satisfactorily established by the  contrac-
    29  tor that there has been at least an equivalent increase in the amount of
    30  his cost of operation, during the period of the contract.
    31    (2) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subdivision, the board
    32  of  education  of  a school district located in a city with at least one
    33  million inhabitants shall include in contracts for the transportation of
    34  school children in kindergarten through grade  twelve,  whether  awarded
    35  through  competitive  bidding  or  through  evaluation  of  proposals in
    36  response to a request for proposals pursuant  to  paragraph  e  of  this
    37  subdivision,  provisions  for  the  retention or preference in hiring of
    38  school bus workers and for the preservation of  wages,  health,  welfare
    39  and  retirement  benefits  and  seniority for school bus workers who are
    40  hired pursuant to such provisions for retention or preference in hiring,
    41  in connection with such contracts. For purposes  of  this  subparagraph,
    42  "school  bus  worker"  shall  mean  an operator, mechanic, dispatcher or
    43  attendant who:  (i) was employed as of June thirtieth, two thousand  ten
    44  or  at  any  time  thereafter  by (A) a contractor that was a party to a
    45  contract with the board of education of a school district located  in  a
    46  city  with  at  least  one million inhabitants for the transportation of
    47  school children in kindergarten through grade twelve, in connection with
    48  such contract, or (B) a subcontractor of a contractor that was  a  party
    49  to  a  contract with the board of education of a school district located
    50  in a city with at least one million inhabitants for  the  transportation
    51  of  school  children in kindergarten through grade twelve, in connection
    52  with such contract, and (ii) has been furloughed or become unemployed as
    53  a result of a loss of such contract, or a part of such contract, by such
    54  contractor or such subcontractor, or as  a  result  of  a  reduction  in
    55  service  directed  by  such  board  of education during the term of such
    56  contract.
        S. 5984                             4

     1    § 3. Subdivision 14 of section 305 of the education law is amended  by
     2  adding a new paragraph g to read as follows:
     3    g.  Notwithstanding  the  provisions of paragraphs a through f of this
     4  subdivision and any regulation promulgated pursuant thereto,  the  board
     5  of  education  of  a school district located in a city with at least one
     6  million inhabitants and a contractor providing  transportation  services
     7  to  such  district  for  school  children  in kindergarten through grade
     8  twelve may amend a contract for such transportation services,  for  such
     9  consideration as approved by such board of education, to include in such
    10  contract  provisions for the retention or preference in hiring of school
    11  bus workers and for the  preservation  of  wages,  health,  welfare  and
    12  retirement  benefits  and seniority for school bus workers who are hired
    13  pursuant to such provisions for retention or preference  in  hiring,  in
    14  connection  with such contracts. For purposes of this paragraph, "school
    15  bus worker" shall mean an operator, mechanic,  dispatcher  or  attendant
    16  who:  (1)  was employed as of June thirtieth, two thousand ten or at any
    17  time thereafter by (i) a contractor that was a party to a contract  with
    18  the  board  of  education of a school district located in a city with at
    19  least one million inhabitants for the transportation of school  children
    20  in  kindergarten through grade twelve, in connection with such contract,
    21  or (ii) a subcontractor of a contractor that was a party to  a  contract
    22  with  the board of education of a school district located in a city with
    23  at least one million inhabitants for the transportation of school  chil-
    24  dren  in  kindergarten  through  grade  twelve,  in connection with such
    25  contract, and (2) has been furloughed or become unemployed as  a  result
    26  of a loss of such contract, or a part of such contract, by such contrac-
    27  tor  or  such  subcontractor, or as the result of a reduction in service
    28  directed by such board of education during the term of such contract.
    29    § 4. Separability.  If  any  item,  clause,  subparagraph,  paragraph,
    30  subdivision  or  section  of  this act shall be adjudged by any court of
    31  competent jurisdiction to be invalid, such judgment  shall  not  affect,
    32  impair or invalidate the remainder thereof, but shall be confined in its
    33  operation  to this item, clause, subparagraph, paragraph, subdivision or
    34  section thereof that was adjudged to be invalid.
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Maybe we could start the phone calling now/ flood them/ bury them / they will be back in session soon/ remind them we are f---in human beings

Quote from: Buzz on January 03, 2016, 02:35:18 AM

Quote from: John Eadicicco on January 02, 2016, 06:03:04 PM
Wake up 123.... Trying to win over Buzz and Just Right is like a black man going on the KKK website and tring to convince them that Black is Beautiful!!!!!!😀

And trying to sway you is like trying to persuade Rush Limbaugh to vote for Hillary!!

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Buzz, seriously do you ever have an "ORIGINAL" rebuttal ? Or is it just like your always  " ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH QUESTION AND THEN MORE QUESTIONS" or the your famous "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I" kindergarten philosophy you are usually known for?

Uh John ....*Man up* ???

REALLY??? you want to meet me... to do what???
You are not capable of anything but running your mouth.I hear it every day in sharrotts.
And If I ever feel the need to talk to you.I'll let you know in person.

Your precious..Everyone should OWN one of you.

It's a shame eventhough over the last couple of weeks people are talking (arguing) on this site basically no one has talked about what we need to do to fix this mess we're in. Most just want to talk about yesterday and who to blame. This is accomplishing one thing and one thing only. More & more separation instead of Unity. You know Unity as in Union. Please if you are going to reply to this comment don't come back with the Negative remarks. I think we have all had enough of that from both sides.

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 03, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
It's a shame eventhough over the last couple of weeks people are talking (arguing) on this site basically no one has talked about what we need to do to fix this mess we're in. Most just want to talk about yesterday and who to blame. This is accomplishing one thing and one thing only. More & more separation instead of Unity. You know Unity as in Union. Please if you are going to reply to this comment don't come back with the Negative remarks. I think we have all had enough of that from both sides.

Ok, everything in this union and company is great, now let's all go down to the new spacious professionally decorated luxurious UNION office suites in Long Island where everybody including the 75k a year secretaries and other family patronage employees work tell them what a great job they have been doing for the last 6 years. The only thing is we will have to take a bus there because with the poverty level pay we get a lot of us cannot afford a trip to Long Island alone. But let's remain positive because after all were all one big happy family.

I can just imagine Buzz' whitty rebuttal to that ' Oh yeah a lot of 1181 members work in Queens so it doent cost them that much"

Just Right.  A real tough guy behing a screen name.... Wow.....you got chiclets for nuts and a LOT to say behind a mask.... Just like ISIS ... They all wear hoods.....

I won't entertain you on here John I'll see you tomorrow morning.

Besides I'm tired of seeing you post ..it's all bullshit your tough guy act. I have known you for years and your still trying to make people think how tough you are.

Even when a fellow Member tries (practically begs) his best to get something positive and to promote Unity and on top of that asks straight out please don't come back with the Negativity. WakeUp123 responds with the same negative post that he's been posting for two weeks. How many times have I asked you to comprehend what you read? You actually quote my post and in the first sentence I ask "what do we need to do to fix this MESS we're in?" Your response insinuates that my post states that "Ok, everything in this union and company is great." Also no matter whatever anyone posts or whenever anyone asks for your opinion on how to help fix this mess, you NEVER have an answer. You talk about Buzz. I know what your posts are going to read before you even post them. Case in point. Why to you think part of my post (the post you quoted) I asked if anyone was going to reply please don't come back with Negative remarks. For the last time we all have and are experiencing the same bad times as you. For the last time the past is the past and it doesn't make a difference who is or is not to blame. Finally for the last time do you have any thoughts on what WE should do tomorrow and in the future to help ourselves & this Local?

aiyyyy yiiii yiiiii  :villain: :villain: :villain: :villain:  :head_wall: :head_wall: :head_wall: :head_wall: :sos: :sos: :sos: :sos: :sos: :sos: :sos: :sos: :show: :show: :show: :show: :show: :show:

ok for now on NO MORE NRGAVITY, ALTHOUGH ITS THE TRUTH, PROUD MEMBER DOESNT LIKE IT. IN

REGARDING BUZZ, HE IS ON EVERY POST THROWING HIS 2 cents in, running interference for the office, the union and covering runs against Ernies orders with his cellphone. He deserves what he gets

AND YES I HAVE ALOT OF THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO

1. Hold a vote of no confidence against the EB FOR ALL THE DISASTEROUS DECISIONS MADE IN THE LAST 5 years for starters.

2. Hold a rally outside the spacious luxurious office suites in Long Island protesting the 'mysterious" lack of information"

3. Start a 'WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE WEBPAGE WITH AN ACTIVE PETITION SITE DEMANDING A CHANGE IN THE BYLAWS CREATING AN OVERSIGHT PANEL (advocate) that's not related to any members of the EB.

4. Any new candidate for EB is to be allowed by law to have a platform meeting at every yard and not chased away by any incumbent union representives.minside the premises not down the block.

That's just for starters, I'm sure others can add to this.

Wake Up 123......... Christmas was last week and those visions(presents) were NOT under the tree!!!!!! When we voice our displeasure on how we are being treated by the union.... We are scumbags and whatever words the Cordiello backers want to use. They do NOT know what the word transparency means!!!!!!!

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 03, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
WakeUp123 responds with the same negative post that he's been posting for two weeks. How many times have I asked you to comprehend what you read? You actually quote my post and in the first sentence I ask "what do we need to do to fix this MESS we're in?" Your response insinuates that my post states that "Ok, everything in this union and company is great."

Have you not yet come to the realization yet that 123 just posts shit to get a reaction? He's bored, has nothing better to do but stir shit, and he's just like a little kid who wants to be noticed but only knows how to get negative attention. Ignore him (like I do).

Thanks Buzz. Good advice. I'll try to take it but I'm sure you know how hard it is for me to ignore.

You just nailed it Buzz.You left out one thing.Believes he has infinite wisdom above everyone else.

This is what they do when they want to distract attention away from hot topics in politics. They call you names post a,using banners and when they get really desperate they 'ROBO" post you like Buzz throughout the history of this site has done repeadeatly agin and again. Hillary Clinton and the machine have been doing it for years. At least I speak my mind, the truth however unpleasant and offered some type of remedy at least to get the movement moving. However Buzz and a few others  continually bash anybody on this site that wants change. Never has anyone of the usual union 'cheerleaders" on this site has ever commented on the issues I have brought up all they do is generalize with some grade school idioms. The sad part is you people believe it and really think the union has your best interests at heart. Just review the last 5 years of current leadership and look at the current 'Non-INFORMATION we receive and the quagmire contract negotiations we face now.
IF THAT DOESNT CAUSE YOU TO STOP AND THINK AT LEAST FOR A MINUTE, THEN YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.

WHEN WE ALL GET SHAFTED AGAIN FROM THE UNION WHAT IS EVERYBODY GOING TO SAY? WE NEED UNITY.

Hey WakeUp,a couple of thtings.Understand a coup,e of things.#1, I'm not in anybody's back pocket or yes man for the union.#2, I'm also not a company scummer.I'm a realist.When we lost the EPP ,I believe that was a result of Bloomberg not our Union. This happened as a result of Board of Ed contracts expiring.As a result of that many companies were outbidded and went belly up ,and others contracts went to Non-Union shops.As a result MANY JOBS WERE LOST.hOW WOULD YOU HAVE STOPPED THAT?Also Greedy contractors who stayed on with 1181 are showing they have no shame in their game and raping their employees of $$$ AND BENEFITS . SO ONCE AGAIN,How do YOU STOP THAT.You are not the only one whose been impacted by this BS.We ALL LOST PLENTY AND IT SUCKS,SO WHAT IS UNION LEADERSHIP Supposed to do use a bat and a gun.All the things on your list of what you want back I agree with.Ijust don't see how this is Union Leaderships fault. It is a direct result of losing the EPP.Unfortunately we are in a  dogfight,but you don't win it by Union bashing or bashing each other.I do agree we need to see ore communication from Leadership even if there's no new info. Ok so before you go off on a tirade just speak up.it's your right,THEY WORK FOR US. So I'll be interested in hearing what your game plan would be in negotiating a deal with the contractors.Youy seem to have all the answers. 

LMR
You have s better shot at winning the PowerBall before this guy gives you a plan on how to negotiate a deal. That's the one thing he keeps avoiding. A PLAN TO HELP HIMSELF, FELLOW MEMBERS & THIS LOCAL. If he's not blaming someone for something, he doesn't have anything to say!

That's why I asked the direct question.Instead of talking loud and sayin nothin,give us something that is going to matter.He's obviously so much smarter than the rest of us here's a chance to share your genious.

I heard that whoever makes the last post, wins the argument.   Keep going boys.

http://www.allhailtheblackmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/beating-a-dead-horse-.jpg

  LOL Grr.Love it!No I'm done ,can't beat this horse anymore .It's dead ,just had to get my two cents in.Give 'em something to think about,.Maybe he'll learn something

Quote from: LMR on January 04, 2016, 03:45:53 PM
... Maybe he'll learn something

All he'll learn is that if he says things that are outrageous enough and pisses people off, he'll get a response ... and that's all he really wants.

page 6   wow   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Like said Buzz I said what I had to say.One and done .He can rant his BS all he wants now

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 04, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
LMR
You have s better shot at winning the PowerBall before this guy gives you a plan on how to negotiate a deal. That's the one thing he keeps avoiding. A PLAN TO HELP HIMSELF, FELLOW MEMBERS & THIS LOCAL. If he's not blaming someone for something, he doesn't have anything to say!

Hey genius, if you read my prior post you will see an 'OUTLINE" for a start. But I guess with you illiterates you can't think back more than a couple of posts ago.

Hey Buzz, great 'PAROTING" keep the good work, I'm sure Neil will make you general manager soon.

Problem # 1-100....................Cordiello and his minions decided to negotiate SEPARATE contracts for most of the 1181 contractors effectively killing the EPP!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO did that benefit?  Not Us!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

WakeUp123
I have to apologize. I did not see your "Outline." I went back and read it. And if I were as adamant about my position as you are yours than I have to agree with your Outline. Now that's a start and to tell you the truth that's what I've been waiting to hear from you for a while instead of the constant bashing.

One more thing Michael, Ernie, Buzz or anyone else DO NOT have anything to do or do not control anything I say just like they don't control your opinions.

I for one would like to hear from Ernie right about now.

I'm calling the fight ,,Buzz by a k.o. In the 6 round  :wink_cheesy:

Quote from: gigi11744 on January 06, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
I'm calling the fight ,,Buzz by a k.o. In the 6 round  :wink_cheesy:

I raise you to page 7 KO.    :wave: :wave:

Lol ,,,I'm getting royalties :wave: :wave: :wave:

bueller bueller  :yes: :perplexed: :yes: :perplexed: :wave: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Quote from: gigi11744 on December 30, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
There was a time when this Union was strong,it had its problems but it was strong,then comes a knight in shinning armor we shall call this knight (MEMBERS FOR CHANGE) .Now they were led by the  the over lord Eddie Kaye ,and his Right hand Thomas Salerno,Now these Band of merry men were going to save us from a union that they said was corrupt ,stealing our money,But every week my paycheck was there,my raises were always fair,and like clock work contracts were done with any drama,our pension was a little weak,but it was solvent,our medical was free and probably one of the best,everyone was working ,everyone had the same pay scale ,vacation and,overtime was always paid,union got theirs,owners got theirs and we got ours,Now things have changed thanks to our white knights ,haven't had a raise in 5 yrs,I'm paying more and more for my watered down medical,different pay scales for union members,4500 working men and women were out of work,no more overtime,vacation pay slashed,accrual pay slashed ,snow days slashed,now owners are stealing our money not the corrupt Union like our white knights have alleged.Now because of all this they have the balls to lay this on the unions shoulders.. Thank you my Brave White Knights you have done all of us a great service,