Didnt when it first re -opened there was soap?? Yes the Soap would help....

You heard soap advertised...? I heard wax....Either way the bus came out looking great....which draws an observation....if it comes out just as good without soap....then why use any? Just a thought. 

"I don't usually find the NY Times good for much".

                       How could you? Your much to Advanced and Conservative for that publication!

Buzz...that is the best "Work Related" news of 2011 so far. 

My Conclusion is Govt agencies will counter with there studies. However if you piece all of the above together it makes sense its just a money making deal. Fact is some people will slow or stop at a stale green in locations locally that they know. I believe that is a formula for an accident more often then not getting a bill in the mail. What do you think?

From the National Motorist Association:

     http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/

I am sorry Buzz was looking at two different pages at the same time :

               "While they eliminated T-Bone accidents.......... they are almost universally credited for increasing rear-end accidents. "

        http://autos.aol.com/article/red-light-camera-accidents/

           PS my quote in my first post I cant seem to find....When I find the page to reference that I will post....in the meantime the post above was in the link posted.

Red Light Camera Research Methods- Reports Critiques

More accidents at these locations "light for light" then other locations...hmmm!!!

GMC JOE I see which Finger hes Pointing.....he thinks your #1!!!   

Amen to that about Arizona.....is it me or this time thing was earlier this year as opposed to years past??

Disappointing? I returned to the yard and the wash was already closed or broke again as there was a mechanic in there and he looked to be busy either fixing or adjusting something.

Buzz....I certainly care about our Union  and didnt want to be considered like someone who just absorbs one sides propoganda.....however I am very mindful of the economic climate....or lack thereof.

            Yes whatever we got money wise in our contract ..... I thought was great.Considering all the people I know in private didnt get anything and dont have benefits like ours either.

       People before criticizing Walker and what he did in Wisconsin need to realize he was elected to do what he did by the majority in his state.Yes as our leader said "Election do have consequences....." They do..... and that was his mandate. Also realize the Dem Party was there representing people that they will look for future political donations....it wasnt about what they think is right or feelings or any particular issue.Before people stick up for the people that organized for the workers,know the organizers were not there for any humanitarian issue,,,,that was a hack job...by political hacks!

Buzz thats a great post. Also since Neil was brought into this ....I would add that Neil gets us our checks every week. Those checks are like Gold and cash with no problem at all. I have worked for contractors that when you go to banks you get NSF! -Non Sufficient Funds you cant even cash a check.Now that may not be right etc,but thats a whole other issue.My point being that you have to have money available to pay people for services....which I have gotten 100% of the time working for Pioneer.Perhaps Walker knew and actually said it....and its the bottom line "You cant keep kicking the can down the Road!!!"    Also if I were given the choice or chance to live on 89 k teaching in WI under there current agreement I would do it in a heartbeat....thats not bad for that area...its liveable in this area.

Thanks Squid for your thoughts.Perhaps if the Democrats stayed and debated as there job allows them to do and actually pays them to do(in Wisconsin) the outcome might have been different. Now we will never know.Personally yes your dead on I support Walker....and the reason I do is thats why he was elected to do just that.Maybe the people of Wisconsin who arent making what the teachers are and entitled to the same benefits just cant afford to bridge the gap with more tax hikes. It has to come from somewhere....Walker cant just print money like Obama can now can he?

          Yes I am fiscally Conservative because when you overspend like drunken sailors like we have in NY what happens? I will tell you......you get to pay more taxes, get less services and less money to enjoy for your family....... Union ......or non union.  I support 1181....I pay COPE....and volunteered to do so I didnt have to be asked. Though if all of the Budgets are balanced and the books are in order do you stand to get a raise.....or the other way???

       Finally did these protesters(In Wisconsin) need to break windows,stomp out flower gardens and leave tons of trash to the tune of a 7 million dollar cleanup??  Sorry they really did have me at the right cause its the manner in which they operated and two wrongs doesnt make a right. Also say what you want about how misguided the protesters are  I really dont ever want The Rev. Jesse Jackson speaking for me or 1181 with his mindless banter.